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basement water mystery lsulky 08-20-2005
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Posted by on August 20, 2005, 12:16 pm


There are over 12,000 hits on basement water in alt.home.repair. But I
couldn't find anything that quite matched up with what I'm facing.
We've had water appear in the basement guest room twice now. Once one
year ago, once last week. And I seem to have ruled out all possible
sources...so I must be overlooking something.

When the water appeared a year ago, it was so strange that we figured
one of our teens must have tried to empty the dehumidifier and spilled
it, though they swore they hadn't. But now the same thing has happened
and the dehumidifier isn't in that room.

FACTS:

1) The house is a raised bungalow, so the basement floor is only about
five feet below ground level. The guest room is in the corner of the
house opposite the main basement drain. It's also far away from the
city water line and any other water lines that we know of.
2) The water appeared centred about 4 feet from either wall, so wasn't
in a corner nor smack in the middle of the room. One of the
aforementioned walls is exterior, southeast side, the other is interior
and load-bearing.
3) On the other side of the interior wall is an unfinished work room
where we can check ceiling joists and see bare concrete block. Bone dry
in there.
4) After a couple of days (we found the water on Tuesday) the water had
spread in a circular pattern. We had a fan and the dehumidifier in
there by then.
5) Upon lifting the carpet and pad today, I was able to determine that
the apparent origin of the water is the local high point in the floor.
My carpenter's level says so, and pouring a bit of water on the floor
underneath shows that it all flows away from that point. Water poured
nearby will not flow up to that point.
6) The old floor is 40+-year-old asbestos tile, bonded down like
nobody's business.
7) No sign of water from the ceiling. The dining room is above the
guest room.
8) Our basement flooded (as did many people's) after torrential rains
in May 2000. I put in new drywall and made sure to have vapour
barriers, sealed joints between walls and floor, and venting of the air
space behind the drywall to fight condensation build-up behind the
walls, just in case. So I can easily check behind the walls. Dry, dry,
dry.
9) During the 2000 floods, our main problem was a crack in the concrete
in another area of the basement where a wall had been taken out,
probably by the original owners in the 60's. Hydrostatic pressure was
pushing water through the crack like a tiny geyser. We had the crack
repaired. We also had the downspouts rerouted to run out to the lawn,
at least 12 feet from the foundation, instead of into the weeping tile
system, which is 47 years old.
10) We're in the midst of the hottest and dryest summer on record here.

My theories are:

A) Our kids are malicious liars.
B) The water came through the foundation walls, flowed uphill, dried
itself off the walls and the carpet through which it came, then flowed
back out from its rallying point.
C) We have hydrostatics troubling us again despite near-drought
conditions.

I am perplexed. What am I overlooking? What fundamental thing do I just
not understand?

Thanks for ANY ideas!



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Posted by Dumbo on August 20, 2005, 1:20 pm



lsulky@home.com wrote:
>
> 10) We're in the midst of the hottest and dryest summer on record here.

>
Is it possible that either you or the neighbors are watering the lawn a
lot more to compensate for the drought? The water might come from
there, somehow.

Perhaps you could use a die on the lawn to track the water source



Posted by CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert on August 20, 2005, 6:55 pm


lsulky@home.com wrote:
> There are over 12,000 hits on basement water in alt.home.repair. But I
> couldn't find anything that quite matched up with what I'm facing.
> We've had water appear in the basement guest room twice now. Once one
> year ago, once last week. And I seem to have ruled out all possible
> sources...so I must be overlooking something.
>
> When the water appeared a year ago, it was so strange that we figured
> one of our teens must have tried to empty the dehumidifier and spilled
> it, though they swore they hadn't. But now the same thing has happened
> and the dehumidifier isn't in that room.
>
> FACTS:
>
> 1) The house is a raised bungalow, so the basement floor is only about
> five feet below ground level. The guest room is in the corner of the
> house opposite the main basement drain. It's also far away from the
> city water line and any other water lines that we know of.
> 2) The water appeared centred about 4 feet from either wall, so wasn't
> in a corner nor smack in the middle of the room. One of the
> aforementioned walls is exterior, southeast side, the other is interior
> and load-bearing.
> 3) On the other side of the interior wall is an unfinished work room
> where we can check ceiling joists and see bare concrete block. Bone dry
> in there.
> 4) After a couple of days (we found the water on Tuesday) the water had
> spread in a circular pattern. We had a fan and the dehumidifier in
> there by then.
> 5) Upon lifting the carpet and pad today, I was able to determine that
> the apparent origin of the water is the local high point in the floor.
> My carpenter's level says so, and pouring a bit of water on the floor
> underneath shows that it all flows away from that point. Water poured
> nearby will not flow up to that point.
> 6) The old floor is 40+-year-old asbestos tile, bonded down like
> nobody's business.
> 7) No sign of water from the ceiling. The dining room is above the
> guest room.
> 8) Our basement flooded (as did many people's) after torrential rains
> in May 2000. I put in new drywall and made sure to have vapour
> barriers, sealed joints between walls and floor, and venting of the air
> space behind the drywall to fight condensation build-up behind the
> walls, just in case. So I can easily check behind the walls. Dry, dry,
> dry.
> 9) During the 2000 floods, our main problem was a crack in the concrete
> in another area of the basement where a wall had been taken out,
> probably by the original owners in the 60's. Hydrostatic pressure was
> pushing water through the crack like a tiny geyser. We had the crack
> repaired. We also had the downspouts rerouted to run out to the lawn,
> at least 12 feet from the foundation, instead of into the weeping tile
> system, which is 47 years old.
> 10) We're in the midst of the hottest and dryest summer on record here.
>
> My theories are:
>
> A) Our kids are malicious liars.
> B) The water came through the foundation walls, flowed uphill, dried
> itself off the walls and the carpet through which it came, then flowed
> back out from its rallying point.
> C) We have hydrostatics troubling us again despite near-drought
> conditions.
>
> I am perplexed. What am I overlooking? What fundamental thing do I just
> not understand?
>
> Thanks for ANY ideas!
>


You fixed hydrostatic pressure by patching the floor??? no seriously?

You could have a roof leak, especially considering its a bungalow. We
had a roof leak that showed up in the basement in a colonial.

Is your carpet covering on of your floor drains? The foundation drain
connected one perhaps?

You can always stake out the basement :)

--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert


Posted by on August 20, 2005, 7:31 pm


I should probably answer some of the other questions here, all
together:

No cat. One dog. Several litres of liquid at least. The liquid doesn't
smell like urine, though, just water.

We and everybody have been watering less because of the water shortage.
Our neighbours on that side have been gone for weeks and we're doing
limited watering for them.

No pipes under the floor that we know of. We have forced air heat. No
drains in the area.

"Fixing hydrostatics" ... LOL. Well, I didn't really fix the
hydrostatics....just the problem of it coming up through the crack :-)
.. I figured all I could really do was convince the water that it wanted
to go somewhere else. "Roof leak"....I'll look into it. A couple of our
shingles needed replacing, which I did today, and they are over that
room. But leaking all the way past the main floor and down to the
basement?

No drains nearby, unless the builder put a second one in (the drain we
know about is in the laundry room, other end of the house) and then
some handyman covered it over with tile.



Posted by Art on August 21, 2005, 3:37 am


I bet it is the roof leak. When my wife was in college, she was in the
first story of her 2 story apartment house. Her roof leak. I had a
flashing problem in the current house. The water went thru the wall down to
the basement without any damage to the wall. I could hear it dripping
though.


>I should probably answer some of the other questions here, all
> together:
>
> No cat. One dog. Several litres of liquid at least. The liquid doesn't
> smell like urine, though, just water.
>
> We and everybody have been watering less because of the water shortage.
> Our neighbours on that side have been gone for weeks and we're doing
> limited watering for them.
>
> No pipes under the floor that we know of. We have forced air heat. No
> drains in the area.
>
> "Fixing hydrostatics" ... LOL. Well, I didn't really fix the
> hydrostatics....just the problem of it coming up through the crack :-)
> . I figured all I could really do was convince the water that it wanted
> to go somewhere else. "Roof leak"....I'll look into it. A couple of our
> shingles needed replacing, which I did today, and they are over that
> room. But leaking all the way past the main floor and down to the
> basement?
>
> No drains nearby, unless the builder put a second one in (the drain we
> know about is in the laundry room, other end of the house) and then
> some handyman covered it over with tile.
>




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