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Posted by on November 11, 2006, 8:41 pm
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> **4 inches long to attractively hold the new rear turn signal lights.
> Made in 1969, it didn't have turn signals at all, afaict, according to
> the owner's manual, although it does have lights in the front. and a
> switch added on to the handlebars. But no indication there were ever
> such lights in the back. Well, it has wires going half-way back the
> rear fender, under the seat, but no sign of where they might have been
> attached to the bike. My friend who gave me the bike can't remember
> such details from 35 years ago, or he doesn't want to try.
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>>cheers
>>Bob
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Well, it may not be the US version, but Google Images has multiple pictures
of 69 Honda CB350s. See:
http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Honda_CB450_DOHC_1969.jpg for starters.
Looks like it is mounted either to the rack, or the fender centerline. The
other pictures show a bracket mounted to fender for the taillight- probably
integral turn signals.
aem sends....
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Posted by mm on November 11, 2006, 10:32 pm
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>> **4 inches long to attractively hold the new rear turn signal lights.
>> Made in 1969, it didn't have turn signals at all, afaict, according to
>> the owner's manual, although it does have lights in the front. and a
>> switch added on to the handlebars. But no indication there were ever
>> such lights in the back. Well, it has wires going half-way back the
>> rear fender, under the seat, but no sign of where they might have been
>> attached to the bike. My friend who gave me the bike can't remember
>> such details from 35 years ago, or he doesn't want to try.
>>
>>>cheers
>>>Bob
I thought I posted this 90 minutes ago.
>Well, it may not be the US version, but Google Images
I don't use that as much as I could.
You are right that the US version is different. The manual has two
wiring diagrams, and the US wiring doesn't show a turn signal, but the
other one does, including the winker lights and winker relay. :)
> has multiple pictures
>of 69 Honda CB350s. See:
>http://www.caldas.com.br/30anos/Honda_CB450_DOHC_1969.jpg for starters.
What a beautiful bike. Mine is never going to look anywhere near that
good, unless someone else does it. (I'm willing to spend time on
making a bracket, and some time with a wire brush and a bench grinder
with a wire wheel, to get rid of the rust, but otherwise, I'm not
going to spend time on looks. I have no taste anyhow, except to
admire other people's stuff. :)
>Looks like it is mounted either to the rack, or the fender centerline. The
This one is a little diffferent from mine, in that it has a tach and a
separate speedometer. Mine has both in one oval thing.
But it's still vry much like it, and why would mine have front signals
and not rear.
So maybe I should have mentioned this. The bike fell once on teh
right side, and the front right turn signal post/pipe is bent a the
base, one front right fender bracket was broken (but I glued it with
PC-7), the rear feder is bent to the left, and has an exra 1/8 inch
washer on the right (when I took that out, I couldn't tighten up the
bolt), and.... The luggage rack doesn't look like the picture and
isn't really a rack. It's just like a seat back for the passenger,
except it's only 5 inches above the seat and no one would lean back
anyhow. It goes straight up, with two rungs. It has no horizontal
part, and I don't see its purpose. Nonetheless, I was sure it was the
original "luggage rack" because it's broken on the right side two, at
one of the brackets.
But maybe it is a replacement, and the original held the rear turn
signals. I'm tired but tommorrow I plan to look at your other
images, and one or two others I know that I didn't pay enough
attention to.
>other pictures show a bracket mounted to fender for the taillight- probably
>integral turn signals.
>aem sends....
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Posted by on November 11, 2006, 8:42 pm
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Here's a better one, showing signals mounted to the seat frame.
http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/452855/
Damn, now you have me curious.
aem sends...
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Posted by mm on November 11, 2006, 10:32 pm
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>Here's a better one, showing signals mounted to the seat frame.
>http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/452855/
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>Damn, now you have me curious.
I understand that entirely I understand the "damn" too.
After looking at teh picture above, I retract what I said about the
vertical stuff being of unknown to me purpose. If I were a girl
sitting behind me, I would like that five inch thing to make me feel
like as long as I didn't hit it, I wasn't falling off the back!
My tail light is about where the base of that bracket is, and my
license plate is below that. But it could have had rear turn signals
like this one. I'll have to look in detail when it gets light out.
This also means that if the bike was made with signals, I have to
replace them before the bike will pass inspection in Maryland. I'm
glad I'm so far along**. That also gives support to having a machine
shop make the bracket, because, unless they are backed up, they'll be
done before I am.
**And not so easy. Inside the headlight case, it is a rat's nest.
Nothing I have in the owners manual or Klymer spearates the wires as
they come into the case. And there seem to be far more wires than I
can identify as supposed to be there. It's like it's the Starbucks of
my bike, where all the wires go to hang out.
For example, there are four, 4!, wires that aren't connected to
anything! They were hard to identify. One was connected to a ground
connection on the front bezel of the light, and since there was
nothing grounding the rest of the case, the main part of the case (so
that the turn signals were not grounded), I extended that wire and put
it under the nut that holds the turn signal post in place. Doing it
for one side fixed both sides. I wonder what used to ground the case.
Then the wire, meant to be hot, that went to the turn signal switch,
was not connected to anything. (Maybe after the back was ruined, they
disabled the front too?) And there was a hot wire (only when the
ignition is on) that was taped up too. So I connected the hot to the
prevoius wire, and the turnsignal switch worked in the front (though
it didn't flash. There is no flasher to be found, another reason why
I thought the bike didn't have one originally.) I have a flasher that
came with the spare coils I just bought, but even with the rear light
connected temporarily, it didn't flash, so I have to hunt through my
old auto parts in the basement. I've been saving a couple for just
this reason.
So it's a rat's nest in there.
Wow, I didn't mean tto go on so long.
>aem sends...
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Posted by mm on November 11, 2006, 8:43 pm
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>Well, it has wires going half-way back the
>rear fender, under the seat, but no sign of where they might have been
>attached to the bike. My friend who gave me the bike can't remember
>such details from 35 years ago, or he doesn't want to try.
To add a little, this is not to say he's senile or anything. Far from
it. He's only 69. I keep him abreast of the progress I'm making, but
tonight I pointed out that I don't tell him all the things I did to
get there. He said, Don't bother. He doesn't want to know. So far,
I think he feels bad that he didnt' ride the bike more. 2600 miles
from him and the first owner. Like he wasted money, or fun, or
something. He said tonight he wished he had found a place to park it
where it wouldn't have deteriorated so much, or rusted. But there was
no way to get it into his parents' basement, and their garage, where
it say for 34 years, was nice enough, though unheated. Everything was
rusty and the rear shock springs? have lost much of their case to
rust.
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