ceramic tile - Page 2

Posted by mm on October 24, 2009, 8:28 pm

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:38:26 -0400, "norminn@earthlink.net"

>mm wrote:

>> I was visiting my brother and they have 12" ceramic tile in most
>> rooms.
>>
>> A lot of the tiles are about a half millimeter higher or lower than
>> the one next to it. Maybe less, but I can easily feel the difference
>> with my fingers, and when pushing a dresser, the dresser has to be
>> lifted up to get onto the next tile.
>>
>> Is this work within professional standards?

>A half millimeter? How did you measure that? Basic of tile

With my fingers!

I didn't have any tools and it's a newly occupied 2BR apartment with
no tools and not even a wood yardstick. I didn't see anything to use
as a straight edge, except maybe emptying and removing a dresser
drawer, but it wasn't my place to do that.

I don't know if the floor tiles were level or not, but they weren't
the same height. At first I thought my SIL had hired a sloppy
handyman to install this, but it's in Florida and now I hear it may
have been installed years ago.

>installation is to use a length of 2x4 or whatever to tamp newest-set
>tiles so that they are level with and at the same level as adjoining
>tiles. Saw a neighbor going through great pains to set pavers in cement
>on a concrete sidewalk - used a level to make sure each paver was level
>as he went. Every paver was precisely level, just not the same
>level....a little higher, a little lower. Can see it clearly. He
>claimed to be brain damaged from falling off roofs when he was an
>alcoholic. There was no "was" to that part of the story :o)

Posted by RicodJour on October 24, 2009, 8:41 pm

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:38:26 -0400, "norm...@earthlink.net"

> >mm wrote:

> >> I was visiting my brother and they have 12" ceramic tile in most
> >> rooms.
> >> A lot of the tiles are about a half millimeter higher or lower than
> >> the one next to it. =A0 Maybe less, but I can easily feel the differen=

> >> with my fingers, and when pushing a dresser, the dresser has to be
> >> lifted up to get onto the next tile.
> >> Is this work within professional standards?

> >A half millimeter? =A0How did you measure that? =A0Basic of tile

> With my fingers!
> I didn't have any tools and it's a newly occupied 2BR apartment with
> no tools and not even a wood yardstick. =A0 I didn't see anything to use
> as a straight edge, except maybe emptying and removing a dresser
> drawer, but it wasn't my place to do that.

Tools? A dresser drawer...? Either you've addled your brain with
injudicious use of recreational pharmaceuticals, or you're a troll. A
straightedge is never further away than a piece of paper.

Feeling something with your fingers might be the way to go if you're a
proctologist, but it's no way to judge anything except very fine
work. When my eyes no longer are sharp enough to tell if a taping job
is smooth enough for paint, or if I need to sand/scrape a bit more on
woodwork, I let my fingers do the work. Tile work isn't taping or
making furniture.

But, please do go back next year and check and let us know the exact
measurement. When you post, ask for Mr. Blue - I'll be holding my
breath until then.

R

Posted by mm on October 24, 2009, 11:14 pm

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:41:20 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour

>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:38:26 -0400, "norm...@earthlink.net"

>> >mm wrote:
>> >> I was visiting my brother and they have 12" ceramic tile in most
>> >> rooms.
>> >> A lot of the tiles are about a half millimeter higher or lower than
>> >> the one next to it. Maybe less, but I can easily feel the difference
>> >> with my fingers, and when pushing a dresser, the dresser has to be
>> >> lifted up to get onto the next tile.
>> >> Is this work within professional standards?
>> >A half millimeter? How did you measure that? Basic of tile

>> With my fingers!
>> I didn't have any tools and it's a newly occupied 2BR apartment with
>> no tools and not even a wood yardstick. I didn't see anything to use
>> as a straight edge, except maybe emptying and removing a dresser
>> drawer, but it wasn't my place to do that.

>Tools? A dresser drawer...? Either you've addled your brain with
>injudicious use of recreational pharmaceuticals, or you're a troll. A
>straightedge is never further away than a piece of paper.

I don't think a folded piece of paper would be stiff enough for this
use. At any rate, there was loads to do, and I left several jobs
undone when my visit was over. (some windows didn't stay up, some
hurricane shutters wouldn't latch, screen for the turbo bathtub too
big and wouldn't go in place. Receptacles had layers of paint. No
door on guest room. Door on linen closet not hinged.) There was
nothing I could do about the floor, so it got no more time than it
did.

>Feeling something with your fingers might be the way to go if you're a
>proctologist, but it's no way to judge anything except very fine
>work. When my eyes no longer are sharp enough to tell if a taping job
>is smooth enough for paint, or if I need to sand/scrape a bit more on
>woodwork, I let my fingers do the work. Tile work isn't taping or
>making furniture.
>But, please do go back next year and check and let us know the exact
>measurement. When you post, ask for Mr. Blue - I'll be holding my
>breath until then.
>R

Posted by RicodJour on October 25, 2009, 12:24 am

> >> I didn't have any tools and it's a newly occupied 2BR apartment with
> >> no tools and not even a wood yardstick. =A0 I didn't see anything to u=

> >> as a straight edge, except maybe emptying and removing a dresser
> >> drawer, but it wasn't my place to do that.

> >Tools? =A0A dresser drawer...? Either you've addled your brain with
> >injudicious use of recreational pharmaceuticals, or you're a troll. =A0A
> >straightedge is never further away than a piece of paper.

> I don't think a folded piece of paper would be stiff enough for this
> use. =A0At any rate, there was loads to do, and I left several jobs
> undone when my visit was over. =A0(some windows didn't stay up, some
> hurricane shutters wouldn't latch, screen for the turbo bathtub too
> big and wouldn't go in place. =A0Receptacles had layers of paint. =A0No
> door on guest room. =A0Door on linen closet not hinged.) =A0There was
> nothing I could do about the floor, so it got no more time than it
> did. =A0

If you can't determine if there's a noticeable change in height
between two tiles with the straight edge of a piece of paper, whether
folded or not, then there is no gap to speak of and you're looking for
problems and finding them where there aren't any.

It's also an APARTMENT. I hope you didn't point out your imaginary
problem to your brother in his new place. A large part of being
helpful is learning when to keep your mouth shut.

R

Posted by mm on October 25, 2009, 11:48 pm

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:24:33 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour

>> >> I didn't have any tools and it's a newly occupied 2BR apartment with
>> >> no tools and not even a wood yardstick. I didn't see anything to use
>> >> as a straight edge, except maybe emptying and removing a dresser
>> >> drawer, but it wasn't my place to do that.
>> >Tools? A dresser drawer...? Either you've addled your brain with
>> >injudicious use of recreational pharmaceuticals, or you're a troll. A
>> >straightedge is never further away than a piece of paper.

>> I don't think a folded piece of paper would be stiff enough for this
>> use. At any rate, there was loads to do, and I left several jobs
>> undone when my visit was over. (some windows didn't stay up, some
>> hurricane shutters wouldn't latch, screen for the turbo bathtub too
>> big and wouldn't go in place. Receptacles had layers of paint. No
>> door on guest room. Door on linen closet not hinged.) There was
>> nothing I could do about the floor, so it got no more time than it
>> did.

>If you can't determine if there's a noticeable change in height
>between two tiles with the straight edge of a piece of paper, whether

Dang it. I told you in the first post that there was a noticeable
change in height. Lots of places.

And in the previous post, I told you why I didnt' have time to
investigate further while I was there.

I shouldn't have said it might be less than 0.5 mm without saying it
might also be more. And I'd give you 2 to 1 odds that the differences
are between 0.5 mm and 1 mm.

All I wanted to know was if 0.5 mm is within professional standards,
not all this other advice you've been giving me.

>folded or not, then there is no gap to speak of and you're looking for
>problems and finding them where there aren't any.

No. There are plenty of problems with the floor, every place
adjoining tiles aren't the same height.

>It's also an APARTMENT.

It's a condo. He owns it. And the tile floor is in every room.

>I hope you didn't point out your imaginary
>problem to your brother in his new place.

No, of course not, and not because they're imaginary.

>A large part of being
>helpful is learning when to keep your mouth shut.

That applies to you too.

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