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"chain" surge suppressers? Caesar Romano 07-07-2008
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Posted by w_tom on July 14, 2008, 11:10 am
> I don't know. How is the quality of an "earthing" determined or
> measured?

"Measuring" earthing is not practical. Although we can measure
earth resistance, still, that does not determine quality of that
earthing 'system'.

In many cases, a single 10 foot earth ground rod is more than
sufficient if soil is conductive and moist. In simple terms, fine
soil tends to be more conductive. Sandy soil is typically less
conductive. Current habit is to install two ten foot ground rods
separated by more than 6 feet to make that single point ground more
conductive.

We earth to achieve a more conductive connection. But that
connection can never be sufficient. So we single point earth to make
earth beneath the building more equipotential. But we can never
create sufficient equipotential. So we make the earthing electrodes
more conductive.

If in sandy soil, other techniques include a halo (loop) ground
buried around and outside the building. In FL, with more lightning
and sandy soil, also standard is Ufer grounds. Effective because
concrete is an electrical conductor:
http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/ufer.jpg
http://scott-inc.com/html/ufer.htm
http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/GB-HTML/HTML/UferGroundPsi~200309=
30.htm
http://www.psihq.com/iread/ufergrnd.htm

Ufer grounding means surge protection is installed when footings are
poured - not when the electrician arrives to install wires. Meanwhile
a utility offers suggestions on how to fix defectively installed
earthing:
http://www.cinergy.com/surge/ttip08.htm
That buried interconnection wire converts multiple earthing electrodes
into single point earth ground while increasing conductivity.

Unfortunately we don't always know what is in the earth. For
example, one building was adjacent to a vein of graphite. Or a
transcontinental pipeline is buried nearby. Surge instead ignored
service entrance ground, passed through the building, to obtain earth
via more conductive graphite. Solution was to surround that building
with a buried conductor (halo ground) so as to make earth beneath the
building into a big single point ground - create equipotential. Surge
that traveled underground around and outside a building need not enter
the building (see Faraday shielding to appreciate the concept).

In another case, lightning would repeatedly strike an exterior
bathroom wall. They installed lightning rods. Lightning struck that
bathroom wall again. Why? Plumbing inside that wall connected to
deeper and more conductive limestone. Lightning rods were only
earthed 10 feet in sand. The bathroom wall, not lightning rods, made
a better connection to earth borne charges.

Make earthing as best as practicable. Then if damage does occur,
learn why that earthing (or connections to it) was not sufficient. No
good way to lest earthing without an actual lightning strike. Best we
can do is install earthing correctly using what has been well learned
the past 100 years.

Many assume a cold water pipe makes a best earth ground. Well, it
is conductive but it does not necessary provide equipotential. Also
it may be too far away (ie more than 10 feet). Pipe joints (ie
solder) may also compromise protection.

Another problem is a water well. Lightning may pass destructively
through a building to obtain earth via that well pump. Just another
reason why we want the service entrance ground to be a most conductive
earth ground AND why all incoming wires (overhead or buried) enter a
building connected short to the single point earth ground.

Described previously were factors that can increase wire impedance
and compromise surge protection. That earthing connection must be
short ('less than 10 feet'), no sharp bends, separated from all other
non-ground wires, not pass through or inside metallic conduit or
sheets, no splices, and all ground wire routed separately to meet at
the earthing electrode (single point earth ground).

One cannot have too much earthing. However most locations with
conductive soils have massive and probably sufficient earthing with
only one 10 foot ground rod. Every addition to the earthing system
has a diminishing return. But many facilities install massive
earthing system to obtain just a little better earthing. Ham radio
operators who learned this stuff will install better earthing systems:
http://home1.gte.net/res0958z/
Routine is to have direct lightning strikes without damage. But if
damage does occur, then plug-in protectors are not a solution.
Instead the earthing system is reevaluated for defects or
automatically upgraded:
http://www.psihq.com/AllCopper.htm
http://www.copper.org/applications/electrical/pq/casestudy/nebraska.html
> In one memorable instance at KROA, lightning ignored
> the existing grounding system and instead followed the
> coaxial cable directly into the transmitter room. The hit
> destroyed expensive equipment, taking the station off
> the air for several weeks. Luckily, no one was injured
> but the incident was a strong indication that the
> grounding system should be improved.
>
> Based on a belief that "too much" grounding was
> attracting lightning strikes, grounding connections on the
> tower's six sets of guy wires had been disconnected
> sometime in the past (Figure 4). This action may, in fact,
> have helped direct lightning discharge current down the
> antenna tower itself, bringing the strike closer to the
> studio/transmitter building.
>
> CPC has found that when near-surface ground resistance
> is high, it is often better to drive one or more deep
> electrodes than to rely on multiple shallow rods.
>
> First and foremost, the entire electrical system must be
> properly installed according to NEC requirements.
> Equipment and system grounding circuits must be connected
> to the neutral bus only at the primary electrical panel (first
> disconnect), from which point a connection must be made
> directly to the primary grounding electrode. ...
> It is absolutely imperative that all surge suppressors be grounded.

For more information about earthing, see an industry benchmark -
Polyphaser's application notes such as:
http://tinyurl.com/3y747k
http://tinyurl.com/2rsdhj
and other papers at:
http://www.polyphaser.com/technical_notes.aspx

Meet post 1990 National Electrical Code requirements - then exceed
them:
http://www.eham.net/forums/Articles/40885
Welcome to an introduction to earthing - what provides the surge
protection.
http://www.citelprotection.com/citel/grounding.htm
> A protection system with a poor ground is the same as having no protectio=
n at all.

So we do what has been proven effective elsewhere for the past 100
years. Then we learn from the experience. On average, typically
destructive surges occur once every seven years. However that number
can vary significantly (due to geology and other factors) even within
the same town.

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Posted by bud-- on July 15, 2008, 11:55 am
w_tom wrote:
>> I don't know. How is the quality of an "earthing" determined or
>> measured?
>
.
The NIST guide cites US insurance information that indicates equipment
most likely to be damaged by lightning is computers with modem
connection and TV/related equipment - presumably with cable connection.
All can be damaged by high voltage between signal and power wires.

If a surge comes in on power wires and produces 1000A to earth through a
very good 10 ohm impedance to earth, the 'ground' at the service panel
rises 10,000V above 'absolute' ground potential. Equipment connected
only to power can float above 'absolute' ground. The only way to protect
equipment with both power and phone/cable connection is to make sure the
phone and cable 'ground' potential is the same as the power 'ground'.
That requires a *short* connection from phone/cable entrance protectors
to the power system 'ground'.

An example of a cable protector 'ground' wire that is too long is in the
IEEE guide starting pdf page 40.
.
> If in sandy soil, other techniques include a halo (loop) ground
.
From
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lhm/grounding_definitions.html
"Halo Grounded Ring: A grounded No. 2 wire, installed around all four
walls inside a small building, at an elevation of approx. six inches
below the ceiling. They are used around transmitter equipment."
Perhaps w_ could learn the right name (ground ring).
.
> Ufer grounding means surge protection is installed when footings are
> poured - not when the electrician arrives to install wires.
.
Ufer grounds are required for most new construction, and are good ground
electrodes.
.
> Meanwhile
> a utility offers suggestions on how to fix defectively installed
> earthing:
> http://www.cinergy.com/surge/ttip08.htm
> That buried interconnection wire converts multiple earthing electrodes
> into single point earth ground while increasing conductivity.
.
The buried interconnection wire (Figure 2 "right") is unlikely to keep
power/phone/cable grounds at the same potential.
Figure 2 "preferred" is correct.
.
> all ground wire routed separately to meet at
> the earthing electrode (single point earth ground).
.
Running phone and cable 'ground' wires to the earthing electrode will
almost certainly make the power-signal interconnection distance longer,
increasing the voltage between power/phone/cable wires.

The author of the NIST guide has written "the impedance of the grounding
system to ‘true earth’ is far less important than the integrity of the
bonding of the various parts of the grounding system."

Often the phone or cable entry protectors are distant from the power
service. In that case the IEEE guide says "the only effective way of
protecting the equipment is to use a multiport [plug-in] protector."
.
> Ham radio
> operators who learned this stuff will install better earthing systems:
.
Ham radio operators are likely to have a direct lightning strike on
their antennas. Surge amps are far higher than can be conducted in on
power/cable/phone wires. For protection from a direct strike you need
lightning rods.

--
bud--

Posted by CL \"dnoyeB\" Gilbert on July 18, 2008, 3:16 pm


I had several components in my house protected by these local devices. One
day lightning struck near by. I saw a flash behind my computer upstairs.
My wife saw one at the TV downstairs. Both had surge suppressors.
Everything still worked, but internet was down.

I checked later to see what happened. My cable modem was fried. My router
was also fried. After I checked further I noticed the cable company did
not ground the cable outside of my house. If it were today I would sue the
for both the equipment and the hazard since I have pre-paid legal...

The came out and properly grounded the cable.


CL


Posted by on July 15, 2008, 5:47 pm
>
> > I have a Delta LA302R lightning arrestor
> >http://www.deltala.com/prod01.htm#LA302R
> > installed at my meter. How effective can I expect that to be?
>
> =A0 =A0LA302R is called a single phaseprotector. =A0That means it connect=
s
> one AC hot wire to earth. =A0The other phase would not have protection.
> However it also uses the number 125/250 =A0and phrase 'per pole'
> implying this is really a two phaseprotector.
>
did they teach you that at big mac school?

Posted by on July 23, 2008, 9:36 am


> What does your telco do to have better protection from about 100
> surges during every thunderstorm? They don't use any plug-in
> protectors adjacent to equipment. They put every 'whole house'protector where
each wire enters the building, as close to earth
> ground as is practicable, and protectors up to 50 meters distant from
> electronics. Why 50 meters? Because separation increases protection.
>
"Power surges on telephone exchange equipment meanwhile, affected a
third of the Island. At 10.50 p.m. the surges resulted in a "main
power failure" at Bermuda Telephone Company (BTC's) Paget Telephone
Exchange, causing interruptions to 22,000 business and residential
lines from Smiths to Dockyard.

Last night, 2,000 customers in the West End were still without
service.

A BTC spokeswoman said: "The BTC staff will work very hard through the
night to get everyone back on line. There are approximately 2,500
customers in the Devonshire South and Smiths South areas, feeding
directly out of the Paget Exchange, who also continue to experience a
service interruption."

Guess they should have paid attention to the expert.

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