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Posted by No on June 9, 2006, 12:47 pm
Hello - I bought a Vermont Castings VM400 grill at HomeCheapo. One
reason I bought it was because it was "field upgradeable" to natural
gas. Well, one year later I am looking for the parts. They no longer
make available the parts due to "safety reasons". What a pain. This
particular model is sold only through HD. Vermont castings dealers refer
me directly to CFM corp. CFM refuses to sell the kit, nor supply it to a
gas installer. They will not even sell me the complete guts for a NG unit.

My guess would be that another parts kit for a different model would
work fine. I have no idea which ones would work or not. Any clues? CFM
suggested talking to a gas man. I'm sure the gas man will say year, get
me the parts and I'll do it. The local high end BBQ place will do the
install if I give them the parts. They only have the parts for the high
end ones they sell. No comments from them if they may or may not be
compatible.

I am very handy and comfortable doing this myself if I can get the parts.

Any suggestions?

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Posted by Steve B on June 9, 2006, 1:10 pm

> Hello - I bought a Vermont Castings VM400 grill at HomeCheapo. One reason
> I bought it was because it was "field upgradeable" to natural gas. Well,
> one year later I am looking for the parts. They no longer make available
> the parts due to "safety reasons". What a pain. This particular model is
> sold only through HD. Vermont castings dealers refer me directly to CFM
> corp. CFM refuses to sell the kit, nor supply it to a gas installer. They
> will not even sell me the complete guts for a NG unit.
>
> My guess would be that another parts kit for a different model would work
> fine. I have no idea which ones would work or not. Any clues? CFM
> suggested talking to a gas man. I'm sure the gas man will say year, get me
> the parts and I'll do it. The local high end BBQ place will do the install
> if I give them the parts. They only have the parts for the high end ones
> they sell. No comments from them if they may or may not be compatible.
>
> I am very handy and comfortable doing this myself if I can get the parts.
>
> Any suggestions?

Start at the beginning. Usually, when you buy a grill, or a water heater or
a dryer, they give you an extra set of orifices so that you can change back
and forth. I am thinking that you didn't get this when you bought yours.

You say you are handy with tools and such. Take the thing apart, and remove
the orifices. Take them down to the local Gas Supplier and see if you can
match them up. These things aren't rocket surgery, and maybe you can just
fine a helpful teknogeek that will find you the right thing. Look on the
Internet.

That being said, it MAY or MAY NOT be the simple fix. After the orifice
change, you will probably have to change your air mix adjustment, a simple
thing. That's the air mix baffle that turns around when you loosen the
Phillips screw and lets you get the yellow out of the flame.
You will have to put on a new supply hose.

NOW, if your manufacturer actually has different BURNERS for LPG and natural
gas, you might have to change the whole burner assembly. For that, you
would have to measure and see if you can get one from the supplier, or find
one to fit.

I have a Vermont Castings grill and really like it. Mine is propane. I did
see VC natural gas grills for sale when I bought mine, but didn't look close
to see if they had the same burners.

So, start taking it apart. It might be as simple as changing orifices and
the hose. If the propane orifices are smaller than the natural gas ones,
you might risk drilling out a set of them to the specs of natural gas
orifices.

As a last resort, you might consider leaving it like it is, and saving time
and money.

Steve



Posted by No on June 9, 2006, 1:27 pm
Steve B wrote:
>> Hello - I bought a Vermont Castings VM400 grill at HomeCheapo. One reason
>> I bought it was because it was "field upgradeable" to natural gas. Well,
>> one year later I am looking for the parts. They no longer make available
>> the parts due to "safety reasons". What a pain. This particular model is
>> sold only through HD. Vermont castings dealers refer me directly to CFM
>> corp. CFM refuses to sell the kit, nor supply it to a gas installer. They
>> will not even sell me the complete guts for a NG unit.
>>
>> My guess would be that another parts kit for a different model would work
>> fine. I have no idea which ones would work or not. Any clues? CFM
>> suggested talking to a gas man. I'm sure the gas man will say year, get me
>> the parts and I'll do it. The local high end BBQ place will do the install
>> if I give them the parts. They only have the parts for the high end ones
>> they sell. No comments from them if they may or may not be compatible.
>>
>> I am very handy and comfortable doing this myself if I can get the parts.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Start at the beginning. Usually, when you buy a grill, or a water heater or
> a dryer, they give you an extra set of orifices so that you can change back
> and forth. I am thinking that you didn't get this when you bought yours.
>
> You say you are handy with tools and such. Take the thing apart, and remove
> the orifices. Take them down to the local Gas Supplier and see if you can
> match them up. These things aren't rocket surgery, and maybe you can just
> fine a helpful teknogeek that will find you the right thing. Look on the
> Internet.
>
> That being said, it MAY or MAY NOT be the simple fix. After the orifice
> change, you will probably have to change your air mix adjustment, a simple
> thing. That's the air mix baffle that turns around when you loosen the
> Phillips screw and lets you get the yellow out of the flame.
> You will have to put on a new supply hose.
>
> NOW, if your manufacturer actually has different BURNERS for LPG and natural
> gas, you might have to change the whole burner assembly. For that, you
> would have to measure and see if you can get one from the supplier, or find
> one to fit.
>
> I have a Vermont Castings grill and really like it. Mine is propane. I did
> see VC natural gas grills for sale when I bought mine, but didn't look close
> to see if they had the same burners.
>
> So, start taking it apart. It might be as simple as changing orifices and
> the hose. If the propane orifices are smaller than the natural gas ones,
> you might risk drilling out a set of them to the specs of natural gas
> orifices.
>
> As a last resort, you might consider leaving it like it is, and saving time
> and money.
>
> Steve
>
>
Thanks - I am not inclined to start drilling orifices or anything like
that. The burners are the same, I would assume a different regulator,
orifices and and adjustment to the O2 entry would be required. I may do
as you said and take the parts to my local high end BBQ dealer and see
if they have parts from another that will fit. Of course I will need the
flex line, regulator and such anyway. if I find what I want then its a
trip to plumbing supply for some black pipe, fittings and a shut-off
valve. No sweat there (literally).

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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 9, 2006, 5:42 pm

No wrote:
> Steve B wrote:
> >> Hello - I bought a Vermont Castings VM400 grill at HomeCheapo. One reason
> >> I bought it was because it was "field upgradeable" to natural gas. Well,
> >> one year later I am looking for the parts. They no longer make available
> >> the parts due to "safety reasons". What a pain. This particular model is
> >> sold only through HD. Vermont castings dealers refer me directly to CFM
> >> corp. CFM refuses to sell the kit, nor supply it to a gas installer. They
> >> will not even sell me the complete guts for a NG unit.
> >>
> >> My guess would be that another parts kit for a different model would work
> >> fine. I have no idea which ones would work or not. Any clues? CFM
> >> suggested talking to a gas man. I'm sure the gas man will say year, get me
> >> the parts and I'll do it. The local high end BBQ place will do the install
> >> if I give them the parts. They only have the parts for the high end ones
> >> they sell. No comments from them if they may or may not be compatible.
> >>
> >> I am very handy and comfortable doing this myself if I can get the parts.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >
> > Start at the beginning. Usually, when you buy a grill, or a water heater or
> > a dryer, they give you an extra set of orifices so that you can change back
> > and forth. I am thinking that you didn't get this when you bought yours.
> >
> > You say you are handy with tools and such. Take the thing apart, and remove
> > the orifices. Take them down to the local Gas Supplier and see if you can
> > match them up. These things aren't rocket surgery, and maybe you can just
> > fine a helpful teknogeek that will find you the right thing. Look on the
> > Internet.
> >
> > That being said, it MAY or MAY NOT be the simple fix. After the orifice
> > change, you will probably have to change your air mix adjustment, a simple
> > thing. That's the air mix baffle that turns around when you loosen the
> > Phillips screw and lets you get the yellow out of the flame.
> > You will have to put on a new supply hose.
> >
> > NOW, if your manufacturer actually has different BURNERS for LPG and natural
> > gas, you might have to change the whole burner assembly. For that, you
> > would have to measure and see if you can get one from the supplier, or find
> > one to fit.
> >
> > I have a Vermont Castings grill and really like it. Mine is propane. I did
> > see VC natural gas grills for sale when I bought mine, but didn't look close
> > to see if they had the same burners.
> >
> > So, start taking it apart. It might be as simple as changing orifices and
> > the hose. If the propane orifices are smaller than the natural gas ones,
> > you might risk drilling out a set of them to the specs of natural gas
> > orifices.
> >
> > As a last resort, you might consider leaving it like it is, and saving time
> > and money.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> Thanks - I am not inclined to start drilling orifices or anything like
> that. The burners are the same, I would assume a different regulator,
> orifices and and adjustment to the O2 entry would be required. I may do
> as you said and take the parts to my local high end BBQ dealer and see
> if they have parts from another that will fit. Of course I will need the
> flex line, regulator and such anyway. if I find what I want then its a
> trip to plumbing supply for some black pipe, fittings and a shut-off
> valve. No sweat there (literally).
>
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the NG upgrade will degrade the maximum BTUs available since propane
has more heat energy than natural gas....

if your into searing burgers it mau not work as well:( also check out
this group...

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.barbecue?lnk=la&hl=en they are
friendly and helpful


Posted by wayne on June 9, 2006, 9:00 pm
Just call and say you have the NG version and movers borke it while
moving you need to replace parts



No wrote:

> Hello - I bought a Vermont Castings VM400 grill at HomeCheapo. One
> reason I bought it was because it was "field upgradeable" to natural
> gas. Well, one year later I am looking for the parts. They no longer
> make available the parts due to "safety reasons". What a pain. This
> particular model is sold only through HD. Vermont castings dealers
> refer me directly to CFM corp. CFM refuses to sell the kit, nor
> supply it to a gas installer. They will not even sell me the complete
> guts for a NG unit.
>
> My guess would be that another parts kit for a different model would
> work fine. I have no idea which ones would work or not. Any clues?
> CFM suggested talking to a gas man. I'm sure the gas man will say
> year, get me the parts and I'll do it. The local high end BBQ place
> will do the install if I give them the parts. They only have the
> parts for the high end ones they sell. No comments from them if they
> may or may not be compatible.
>
> I am very handy and comfortable doing this myself if I can get the
> parts.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
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