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dog tunneling under chain link fence dkhedmo 11-24-2006
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Posted by krw on November 25, 2006, 5:21 pm


george@nospam.invalid says...
> krw wrote:
>
> >
> > Nonsense! Dogs were domesticated something like a million years
> > ago. The resemble nothing of their wild cousins. Dogs *are* a
> > part of the family, though also a possession.
> >
>
> Nonsense! go read about the traits of a pit bull. "tendency to attack
> other dogs" is mentioned and that is a very primitive trait.

Easily trained to be a pussy cat.

--
Keith


Posted by Rick Brandt on November 25, 2006, 6:21 pm


> george@nospam.invalid says...
>> krw wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Nonsense! Dogs were domesticated something like a million years
>> > ago. The resemble nothing of their wild cousins. Dogs *are* a
>> > part of the family, though also a possession.
>> >
>>
>> Nonsense! go read about the traits of a pit bull. "tendency to attack
>> other dogs" is mentioned and that is a very primitive trait.
>
> Easily trained to be a pussy cat.

Every owner of a pit bull euthanized after attacking another pet or person
SWEARS that their little pooky bear was an angel until the incident happened.

People that don't believe in breed-specific behaviors have not owned very many
dogs. Humans have spent hundreds (or in a few cases thousands) of years
selectively breeding to get certain attributes from each breed. Do you actually
think that physical appearance is the only outcome of that?



Posted by krw on November 25, 2006, 6:54 pm


rickbrandt2@hotmail.com says...
> > george@nospam.invalid says...
> >> krw wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Nonsense! Dogs were domesticated something like a million years
> >> > ago. The resemble nothing of their wild cousins. Dogs *are* a
> >> > part of the family, though also a possession.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Nonsense! go read about the traits of a pit bull. "tendency to attack
> >> other dogs" is mentioned and that is a very primitive trait.
> >
> > Easily trained to be a pussy cat.
>
> Every owner of a pit bull euthanized after attacking another pet or person
> SWEARS that their little pooky bear was an angel until the incident happened.

...and millions never attack so much as a fly.

> People that don't believe in breed-specific behaviors have not owned very many
> dogs. Humans have spent hundreds (or in a few cases thousands) of years
> selectively breeding to get certain attributes from each breed. Do you
actually
> think that physical appearance is the only outcome of that?

Have you ever heard of training a pet? I guess not, your momma
failed.

--
Keith

Posted by Rick Brandt on November 25, 2006, 7:07 pm


> Have you ever heard of training a pet? I guess not, your momma
> failed.

Ah, the professional dog owner argument. Sure, I would have no problem with
legislation that limited pit bull ownership to those who took classes both for
the owner and with their dog and required that both pass an examination of
aptitude after same.

Of course when bad things happened under those conditions I would expect the
owner to be jailed for reckless endangerment since they had obviously cheated or
produced fraudulent proof of having taken the classes (since no one that had
taken the classes could possibly have an incident right?).

The current REAL problem is that any ordinary asshole can acquire these dogs and
not all of them are going to spend the time and effort to provide anything
beyond rudimentary training.

Is it your position that when Joe Average acquires and does NOT train his dog
extensively that the dog's danger to society is the same regardless of breed?
That breed doesn't enter into the equation at all?






Posted by krw on November 25, 2006, 7:27 pm


rickbrandt2@hotmail.com says...
> > Have you ever heard of training a pet? I guess not, your momma
> > failed.
>
> Ah, the professional dog owner argument.

Nope, not me. Don't even own a dog currently. I've met quite a
few very friendly Pit Bulls, and particularly Rotties. It *can* be
done. Just don't torture the thing and you're a long way down the
right road.

> Sure, I would have no problem with
> legislation that limited pit bull ownership to those who took classes both for
> the owner and with their dog and required that both pass an examination of
> aptitude after same.

I'm against any legislation that singles out a particular breed.
It won't work for the same reason that laws against "designer
drugs" don't.
>
> Of course when bad things happened under those conditions I would expect the
> owner to be jailed for reckless endangerment since they had obviously cheated
or
> produced fraudulent proof of having taken the classes (since no one that had
> taken the classes could possibly have an incident right?).

I'd have no problem with that for any dog that seriously injures
someone.

> The current REAL problem is that any ordinary asshole can acquire these dogs
and
> not all of them are going to spend the time and effort to provide anything
> beyond rudimentary training.

Assholes can drive cars too.

> Is it your position that when Joe Average acquires and does NOT train his dog
> extensively that the dog's danger to society is the same regardless of breed?

No, it's my position that if the dog (any breed) is dangerous, the
owner be held responsible.

> That breed doesn't enter into the equation at all?

Correct. The dog cannot be responsible, rather the owner/ If
insurance companies want to limit breeds they'll insure, I really
don't have much to say though. Contract, and all...

--
Keith

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