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Posted by Han on October 7, 2009, 7:10 am
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> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:21:11 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote Re Re:
> elec heat is cheap? huh?:
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>>>On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:26:51 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
>>>> Gas, particularly propane, is getting expensive compared to
>>>> electricity.
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> Here is northwest Alabama, gas has increased from $0.08 to $0.12 per
> kWh delivered into the house (assuming 85% efficiency). Electricity is
> $0.09/kWh this month.
Well her in New Jersey electricity is more like $0.14/kWh, according to
http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/115.htm (googled as one of the first sites)
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Han
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Posted by Jules on October 7, 2009, 8:49 am
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:21:11 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
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> It would be interesting to compare heat to A/C bills.
Hard to compare exactly, I suppose - looking at the bills the prices were
all over the darn place for elec ($0.045 some months, $0.08 others for
the off-peak) so vary a lot from month to month. I think around $100/month
was about average, though, so around $500 for a season.
I've found one propane bill for $570, 255 gallons at $2.24/gal from last
December. I think we ended up getting more in about April as it
wasn't going to quite make it the whole season, but we hardly used
any of what was put in then. Running some numbers in my head I figure we
got through about a whole 500gal tank for the season, so that's roughly
$1100 on propane.
So, somewhere around $1600/yr for heating. Problem was we only moved here
in Spring of last year, and didn't use the electric heat nearly as much
as we will this year - I suspect we can knock a few hundred off that
this time around (plus nobody had maintained the house properly for
years - I've replaced doors since, sealed around windows etc. so it
probably won't leak air quite as much as it did)
cheers
Jules
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Posted by Jim Elbrecht on October 6, 2009, 4:15 pm
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:26:51 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
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>Gas, particularly propane, is getting expensive compared to
>electricity.
I just checked mine. Last month's propane was 30% lower than last
year's Sept delivery.
Got a start when I looked at my electric history. I track both the
stated KW/hr *and* the total bill/kWh. The stated hours have gone
down almost 50%- from 9.3cents to 4.7. But the delivery charges and
other crap has almost made up for it- 14.8 last year, 14.5 this year.
So in reality my propane has gone down 15x as much as my electricity.
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> We all know what happened to oil prices.
Mine went from $3.86 to $2.59. cheapest it's been since '06.
Jim
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Posted by clare on October 6, 2009, 11:24 pm
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>On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:26:51 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
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>>Gas, particularly propane, is getting expensive compared to
>>electricity.
>I just checked mine. Last month's propane was 30% lower than last
>year's Sept delivery.
>Got a start when I looked at my electric history. I track both the
>stated KW/hr *and* the total bill/kWh. The stated hours have gone
>down almost 50%- from 9.3cents to 4.7. But the delivery charges and
>other crap has almost made up for it- 14.8 last year, 14.5 this year.
>So in reality my propane has gone down 15x as much as my electricity.
>> We all know what happened to oil prices.
>Mine went from $3.86 to $2.59. cheapest it's been since '06.
>Jim
The winter is not over, and I'm sure one tank won't last the winter.
A refinery problem, or more politics in the east COULD double the cost
of the next tank - - -
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Posted by Pete C. on October 10, 2009, 10:53 am
gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
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> wrote:
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> >I just read this from an AP article:
> >"Households are expected to pay an average of $783, nearly 12 percent
> >less than last winter, for natural gas, and $1,821 for heating oil,
> >about 2 percent lower. People using electric heat will pay $933, a
> >decline of 2 percent and those using propane $1,667, or 14 percent
> >less than last winter, the agency said."
> >Isn't electric the most expensive of all? Or are they saying that
> >people who use electric heat have that as their average bill, but
> >they're in warmer climes so they don't need as much heating anyway?
>
> Gas, particularly propane, is getting expensive compared to
> electricity. We all know what happened to oil prices. You see the
> signs on the pumps at the shop and rob (heating oil is basically
> diesel)
> I suspect the "warmer climate" thing is part of it but anyone in a
> cooler place than South Florida probably uses heat pumps and they are
> pretty efficient until it really gets cold.
>
> Where I am we just have toaster wire heat but the heating season is
> about 5 nights a year, maybe a day or two.
The big problem with all these type of articles is that they typically
don't properly define what type of "electric" heat, since there are
several types with quite different overall efficiencies. There is a big
difference in operating cost between electric resistive heat vs.
electric heat pump (air or ground source).
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> elec heat is cheap? huh?:
>
>>>On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:26:51 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
>>>> Gas, particularly propane, is getting expensive compared to
>>>> electricity.
>
> Here is northwest Alabama, gas has increased from $0.08 to $0.12 per
> kWh delivered into the house (assuming 85% efficiency). Electricity is
> $0.09/kWh this month.