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Posted by Melissa on July 31, 2005, 7:35 pm


Still making slow progress on our kitchen remodel. We've decided we'd
like to have the baseboard and door trim look close to the color of the
cabinets we've ordered. Thought to call the cabinet company to ask for
a recommendation - they offer their own stain in quarts that will match
as close as possible given the cabinets are maple and the trims would be
pine. Sounds great, but the stain is $35 for a quart, about 4 times
the cost of those I passed in the paint aisle in the store. Is it worth
it to purchase from the cabinet manuf. or is there some way to get a
close match buying stain off the shelf, without buying many cans as test
runs? The cabinets are maple, and the stain is called Spice. It looks
like the color of honey to me, although they have a honey stain that
looks more like natural wood to me. If I do go with the manufacturer's
stain, how close would the color match be between maple and pine?
Thanks for any advice.

Melissa


Posted by Luke on July 31, 2005, 2:39 pm


On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:35:37 GMT, Melissa

>Still making slow progress on our kitchen remodel. We've decided we'd
>like to have the baseboard and door trim look close to the color of the
>cabinets we've ordered. Thought to call the cabinet company to ask for
>a recommendation - they offer their own stain in quarts that will match
>as close as possible given the cabinets are maple and the trims would be
> pine. Sounds great, but the stain is $35 for a quart, about 4 times
>the cost of those I passed in the paint aisle in the store. Is it worth
>it to purchase from the cabinet manuf. or is there some way to get a
>close match buying stain off the shelf, without buying many cans as test
>runs? The cabinets are maple, and the stain is called Spice. It looks
>like the color of honey to me, although they have a honey stain that
>looks more like natural wood to me. If I do go with the manufacturer's
>stain, how close would the color match be between maple and pine?
>Thanks for any advice.

If you take a cabinet door or other representative stained part to a
paint store they can match the color. Take samples of the pine trim,
too. A good store will show you various results, dried, and let you
pick which you like best.

Note that the cabinets have a finish over the stain which changes the
appearance. For a quick approximation of this on your pine samples,
wipe with water or mineral spirits; or to be nearly certain apply
shellac, lacquer, or varnish and let dry.

If you read up on staining you'll also find the finish changes with
application technique, e.g., thinning or not thinning the stain, how
much it's thinned, how long stain sits before wiping, so you need to
factor technique into your comparisons.

Is the off-the-shelf stain price for pre-mixed or custom? It's
doubtfull you'll find an exact match in pre-mixed, though it may be
close enough - only way to tell is to buy some and try it. Around
these parts custom costs more and stores will only do gallons.

I don't know how much trim you have to do, but stain goes a long way,
so the cabinet maker's $35-a-quart stain may not be a bad deal,
depending on how you want to spend your time.

Just being persnickety here, but pine will never look like maple or
maple like pine unless they have an opaque or nearly opaque finish
applied -:).

--
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Posted by 3rd eye on July 31, 2005, 11:32 pm



>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:35:37 GMT, Melissa
>
>>Still making slow progress on our kitchen remodel. We've decided we'd
>>like to have the baseboard and door trim look close to the color of the
>>cabinets we've ordered. Thought to call the cabinet company to ask for
>>a recommendation - they offer their own stain in quarts that will match
>>as close as possible given the cabinets are maple and the trims would be
>> pine. Sounds great, but the stain is $35 for a quart, about 4 times
>>the cost of those I passed in the paint aisle in the store. Is it worth
>>it to purchase from the cabinet manuf.


NO.


or is there some way to get a
>>close match buying stain off the shelf, without buying many cans as test
>>runs? The cabinets are maple, and the stain is called Spice. It looks
>>like the color of honey to me, although they have a honey stain that
>>looks more like natural wood to me. If I do go with the manufacturer's
>>stain, how close would the color match be between maple and pine?
>>Thanks for any advice.
>
>If you take a cabinet door or other representative stained part to a
>paint store they can match the color. Take samples of the pine trim,
>too. A good store will show you various results, dried, and let you
>pick which you like best.
Drying really doesn't change the color that much.
And they can tint it as well.
>
>Note that the cabinets have a finish over the stain which changes the
>appearance. For a quick approximation of this on your pine samples,
>wipe with water or mineral spirits; or to be nearly certain apply
>shellac, lacquer, or varnish and let dry.
>
>If you read up on staining you'll also find the finish changes with
>application technique, e.g., thinning or not thinning the stain, how
>much it's thinned, how long stain sits before wiping, so you need to
>factor technique into your comparisons.
>
>Is the off-the-shelf stain price for pre-mixed or custom? It's
>doubtfull you'll find an exact match in pre-mixed, though it may be
>close enough - only way to tell is to buy some and try it. Around
>these parts custom costs more and stores will only do gallons.
>
Hmph. Glad I don't live around those parts.

>I don't know how much trim you have to do, but stain goes a long way,
>so the cabinet maker's $35-a-quart stain may not be a bad deal,
>depending on how you want to spend your time.
>
>Just being persnickety here, but pine will never look like maple or
>maple like pine unless they have an opaque or nearly opaque finish
>applied -:).
True.

Soft woods will take stain faster than harder woods.
Sometimes too fast. not giving enough time prior to wiping.
There are stain controllers that partially seal these soft woods prior
to stain app. giving you more time to work with them.
A asset sometimes to the DIY'er


Posted by Luke on July 31, 2005, 9:00 pm


wrote:


[snip]
>>Around these parts custom costs more and stores will only do gallons.
>>
>Hmph. Glad I don't live around those parts.
[snap]

I'm glad you don't, too.

--
Luke
___________________________________________________________________
"The culture of recovery is insidious: now the moral measure of a
war is how it makes us feel about ourselves." -- Wendy Kaminer


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on August 1, 2005, 2:44 am



>>> pine. Sounds great, but the stain is $35 for a quart, about 4 times
>>>the cost of those I passed in the paint aisle in the store. Is it worth
>>>it to purchase from the cabinet manuf.
>
>
> NO.

I'd buy it. Sure you are getting screwed at that price. Look at the
alternatives. You buy three or four cans and find they are close, but not
quite. You already spent $40, drove 75 miles to different stores, and spent
two hours trying stains and it still does not match quite right.

So, in the scheme of a $20,000 or more kitchen remodel, what is the extra
$25 to have what you really want?

Keep in mind, or course, you are staining a different wood than the cabinet
manufacturer and still may get some different results. Experiment a bit.
If the trim and doors are pine, brush on some mineral spirits first to avoid
splotchiness. Or put on a spit coat of shellac for the same thing.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/




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