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install windmill and convert from oil burner furnace to electric keithwolf 05-29-2008
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Posted by ransley on May 29, 2008, 11:17 am
On May 29, 7:37=A0am, keithw...@pcci.net wrote:
> I'm no engineer but here's my question;
> we have a log home, approx 3,500 sq ft in PA, we have a great location
> for a windmill and I'm seriously considering installing a windmill
> that can augment and hopefully replace most of my oil usage.
> the oil burner feeds a hot water baseboard system with 7 zones. =A0 We
> use the zones to heat only what we need but it's still getting
> expensive.
> I'm not looking to necessarily come out ahead, breaking even on the
> installation of a windmill over 10 to 15 years and sending less $$ to
> the Middle East would be very satisfying to me.
>
> Are there ways to convert the oil burner to electric, from some of the
> other postings that does not look feasible.
> Would it be better to put some large electric heater in the basement
> with heat rising throughout the house to reduce oil usage?
> Installing all electric baseboard is probably not feasible in a log
> home, wiring would be difficult and I don't think I have the capacity
> in the existing electric panel.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Keith Wolf
> Northeast PA

Electricity will go up as does oil, oil may come down alot someday.
Electric rate increases take time. You have to compare the cost of
fuels per BTU to know what makes sence today. Electric space heaters
are cheap and might help out alot. In 5-10 years oil could be cheaper
and your electric company may have gotten its rate increases through.
T Boone Pickens is investing something like 1-10 Billion in wind
farms, if you have the wind, use it if you can sell back to the grid.
Maybe you have oil underground too, alot do and at todays prices its
worth looking into. A guy in Seymore Ind was on Tv showing his
$100,000 rig that pumps 2-3 barrel a day.

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Posted by HeyBub on May 29, 2008, 11:31 am
keithwolf@pcci.net wrote:
> I'm no engineer but here's my question;
> we have a log home, approx 3,500 sq ft in PA, we have a great location
> for a windmill and I'm seriously considering installing a windmill
> that can augment and hopefully replace most of my oil usage.
> the oil burner feeds a hot water baseboard system with 7 zones. We
> use the zones to heat only what we need but it's still getting
> expensive.
> I'm not looking to necessarily come out ahead, breaking even on the
> installation of a windmill over 10 to 15 years and sending less $$ to
> the Middle East would be very satisfying to me.

> Any advice is appreciated.
> Keith Wolf
> Northeast PA

Don't worry. Of the 400 million bbls/month we import, only about 80 million
(20%) comes from the Persian Gulf area. Much more comes from Canada and
Mexico.



Posted by Don Young on May 29, 2008, 9:45 pm

> I'm no engineer but here's my question;
> we have a log home, approx 3,500 sq ft in PA, we have a great location
> for a windmill and I'm seriously considering installing a windmill
> that can augment and hopefully replace most of my oil usage.
> the oil burner feeds a hot water baseboard system with 7 zones. We
> use the zones to heat only what we need but it's still getting
> expensive.
> I'm not looking to necessarily come out ahead, breaking even on the
> installation of a windmill over 10 to 15 years and sending less $$ to
> the Middle East would be very satisfying to me.
>
> Are there ways to convert the oil burner to electric, from some of the
> other postings that does not look feasible.
> Would it be better to put some large electric heater in the basement
> with heat rising throughout the house to reduce oil usage?
> Installing all electric baseboard is probably not feasible in a log
> home, wiring would be difficult and I don't think I have the capacity
> in the existing electric panel.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Keith Wolf
> Northeast PA
If you do not have the capacity for electric baseboard heat in your panel,
you do not have the capacity for any kind of electrical heat except possibly
a heat pump. Baseboard heat is very efficient since all of the electricity
is converted to heat and it is directly in the rooms where needed. A heat
pump is more efficient unless the outside temperature is very low.

It is very unlikely that you can install and maintain a windmill system
large enough to generate adequate power for home heating. If available, the
electric utility is nearly always the cheapest source for large amounts of
power.

Don Young



Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on May 29, 2008, 9:59 pm

> I'm no engineer but here's my question;
> we have a log home, approx 3,500 sq ft in PA, we have a great location
> for a windmill and I'm seriously considering installing a windmill
> that can augment and hopefully replace most of my oil usage.
> the oil burner feeds a hot water baseboard system with 7 zones. We
> use the zones to heat only what we need but it's still getting
> expensive.
> I'm not looking to necessarily come out ahead, breaking even on the
> installation of a windmill over 10 to 15 years and sending less $$ to
> the Middle East would be very satisfying to me.
>
> Are there ways to convert the oil burner to electric, from some of the
> other postings that does not look feasible.
> Would it be better to put some large electric heater in the basement
> with heat rising throughout the house to reduce oil usage?
> Installing all electric baseboard is probably not feasible in a log
> home, wiring would be difficult and I don't think I have the capacity
> in the existing electric panel.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Keith Wolf
> Northeast PA

Converting the boiler is not simple, but you can put in assorted electric
heaters to replace or supplement the windmill. Given that it is a
mechanical device, it will eventually wear and break. and need repair Good
to have that oil on hand at that time.

First step is to find out what restrictions may apply. Here in CT a fellow
put in a windmill, but the town made him take it down as it was too high and
violated zoning regulations.

Good luck, I hope it works for you.



Posted by George on May 30, 2008, 5:05 pm
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> Converting the boiler is not simple, but you can put in assorted electric
> heaters to replace or supplement the windmill. Given that it is a
> mechanical device, it will eventually wear and break. and need repair Good
> to have that oil on hand at that time.
>
> First step is to find out what restrictions may apply. Here in CT a fellow
> put in a windmill, but the town made him take it down as it was too high and
> violated zoning regulations.
>
> Good luck, I hope it works for you.
>
>
Then there are always the NIMBYs. A private investor group with no
government subsidy (shocking I know) wanted to install windmills near
here. There is a development that is filled with giant McMansions with
multiple fluffed up trucks in the driveway where some influential people
live. Even though the proposed farm was 7 miles away from them they
managed to enact a convoluted zoning change to protect *their* view.

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