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microwave/hood vents Mark Modrall 05-11-2008
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Posted by Mark Modrall on May 13, 2008, 7:51 pm

> > We had our contractor do the installation. When we kept complaining
> > about it, he took it down, checked, and re-did the installation 3 times,
> > the last time with GE Support on the phone.
>
> Mark, I don't want to sound as I'm flaming you, but this sounds like total
> incompetence on the contractor's part. 3X's for an installation? For the
> contractor having to get phone support, after having installation
> instructions available, I would've thrown this person out!

Well, ultimately that's why we called the GE tech out. We figured
they couldn't possibly sell a unit that did as little as this one did.

The contractor re-read the instructions every time and then called
their phone support because it still didn't work for beans. The guy
over the phone told the contractor that the kleenex test was their
benchmark for working.

The unit vents up through a hose running up through the cabinet above
it with one turn to run along the top of the cabinets and one to the
hole outside the wall.

The vent outside actually has some air you can see coming out of it
but it's definitely not translating to any suction over the range.

> > We called the GE support guy out. He immediately declared it an
> > "installation problem". He spent an hour fiddling. He unhooked the
> > pipe and hooked it back up (not changing anything as far as we could
> > tell - certainly not changing the performance of the fan) and then said
> > it would be $170 because it was an installation problem not an equipment
> > problem.
>
> Surely he had to find something to indicate it was an installation problem.
> There only can be a number of things.
>

His idea of "installation problem" was "it powers on and I hear noise
when I turn the fan on", period.

As I said, if he'd found something and fixed it, we might have split
the cost with our contractor or something, but after the $170 bill it's
still as ineffectual as the day it came out of the box.

If it is an installation problem that could be remedied, fine, but 3x
with our contractor and once with the certified GE tech have produced
bupkis.

The other people we found with microwave/hoods in the neighborhood
have said theirs didn't work well either, but they just gave up on it.
We just weren't sure if it was an inherent limitation to the
configuration.

> > By the by, we also found someone who worked for GE. A defective GE
> > microwave burned down his house, and GE told him they wouldn't help him
> > out.
>
> Now this sounds like a fish tale, by a disgruntled ex-worker. If in fact, a
> defective microwave burned down a house, you don't ask for help from GE.
> You hire a lawyer, which takes them to court.

Actually I know the guy. The fire nearly killed his daughter and
they were out of a home for about 9 months. I think he's retired now,
but he was not a fired "disgruntled ex-worker".

The fire marshall was the one who determined the microwave was the
cause of the fire.

It is kind of a catch-22 - how many times have you congenially hired
a lawyer and taken your employer to court?

-Mark

Real Goods Solar, Inc.
Posted by Kirby on May 13, 2008, 10:13 pm

"Mark Modrall" wrote
> The contractor re-read the instructions every time and then called
> their phone support because it still didn't work for beans. The guy
> over the phone told the contractor that the kleenex test was their
> benchmark for working.
>
> The unit vents up through a hose running up through the cabinet above
> it with one turn to run along the top of the cabinets and one to the
> hole outside the wall.
>
> The vent outside actually has some air you can see coming out of it
> but it's definitely not translating to any suction over the range.


_If_ everything is installed properly, I would say you got a defective
unit.

Mine won't suck up a phone book, but it does work quite well.



>> Surely he had to find something to indicate it was an installation
>> problem.
>> There only can be a number of things.
>>
>
> His idea of "installation problem" was "it powers on and I hear noise
> when I turn the fan on", period.
>
> As I said, if he'd found something and fixed it, we might have split
> the cost with our contractor or something, but after the $170 bill it's
> still as ineffectual as the day it came out of the box.


Before I would pay for the tech for diagnosing it as a "installer problem".
The tech would have to point out exactly how s/he came to that conclusion.
In other words, what exactly is the problem.



> The other people we found with microwave/hoods in the neighborhood
> have said theirs didn't work well either, but they just gave up on it.
> We just weren't sure if it was an inherent limitation to the
> configuration.

The curiousity is killing me. Did you ask about it before you bought, or
after?



>> Now this sounds like a fish tale, by a disgruntled ex-worker. If in
>> fact, a
>> defective microwave burned down a house, you don't ask for help from GE.
>> You hire a lawyer, which takes them to court.
>
> Actually I know the guy. The fire nearly killed his daughter and
> they were out of a home for about 9 months. I think he's retired now,
> but he was not a fired "disgruntled ex-worker".

As you can see, I never insinuated, the worker was fired.


> The fire marshall was the one who determined the microwave was the
> cause of the fire.
>
> It is kind of a catch-22 - how many times have you congenially hired
> a lawyer and taken your employer to court?

Actually, I know several people who have taken their employers to court.
There's no catch-22 about it. I live with one which started a class action
suit involving over 22,000 employees.

_If_ the person had home owner's insurance, insurance companies have the
"right of subrogation". The homeowner has absolutely no say in the matter
. In this instance, the homeowner had no business "asking for help" from
GE, they should seek advice only from their lawyer.

_If_ the person did not have homeowner's insurance, his daughter was almost
killed, and he lost his home. He should've gotten the idiot of the year
award for not taking his employer to court.

There's not a job in the world, to worry about losing, when it comes to
family. I guess my priorities are different than some.









Posted by Mark Modrall on May 14, 2008, 8:44 am
> > As I said, if he'd found something and fixed it, we might have split
> > the cost with our contractor or something, but after the $170 bill it's
> > still as ineffectual as the day it came out of the box.
>
> Before I would pay for the tech for diagnosing it as a "installer problem".
> The tech would have to point out exactly how s/he came to that conclusion.
> In other words, what exactly is the problem.

We did ask that repeatedly... And we demonstrated that his fiddling
around hadn't improved anything. His response was "pay the bill or
we'll ruin your credit rating."

We're open to it being an installation problem. If it were found and
fixed, we wouldn't be so cheesed off.

> > The other people we found with microwave/hoods in the neighborhood
> > have said theirs didn't work well either, but they just gave up on it.
> > We just weren't sure if it was an inherent limitation to the
> > configuration.
>
> The curiousity is killing me. Did you ask about it before you bought, or
> after?

We asked cursorily if the hood worked well when we were shopping and
took it on faith when they said "sure." Turns out, now they say they
only read the spec sheets in the store and have no demo units set up.
The salesmen say they don't have first-hand experience with the units.

We started asking around the neighborhood in ernest after all this
flap.

> >> Now this sounds like a fish tale, by a disgruntled ex-worker.
...
> > Actually I know the guy. The fire nearly killed his daughter and
> > they were out of a home for about 9 months. I think he's retired now,
> > but he was not a fired "disgruntled ex-worker".
>
> As you can see, I never insinuated, the worker was fired.

You never stated as such but obviously I took the inference. The guy
was GE lifer. Retired from there.

> > It is kind of a catch-22 - how many times have you congenially hired
> > a lawyer and taken your employer to court?
>
> Actually, I know several people who have taken their employers to court.
> There's no catch-22 about it. I live with one which started a class action
> suit involving over 22,000 employees.

Yes a lot of people take their employers to court, but I've never
heard it considered a good career move.

> . In this instance, the homeowner had no business "asking for help" from
> GE, they should seek advice only from their lawyer.
>
> _If_ the person did not have homeowner's insurance, his daughter was almost
> killed, and he lost his home. He should've gotten the idiot of the year
> award for not taking his employer to court.

He did have homeowner's insurance (and for whatever reason the
insurer did not choose to go after GE). He thought it was for
"replacement cost" but after all the fine print and caps, etc, what the
insurance company was going to pay him fell about $50k short of the cost
of actually rebuilding the house. Given the fire marshal's report,
that's when he asked his employer.

Mark

Posted by Mikepier on May 14, 2008, 6:42 am
>
> =A0 =A0The unit vents up through a hose running up through the cabinet abo=
ve
> it with one turn to run along the top of the cabinets and one to the
> hole outside the wall.

If it's ducted with one of those rigid flex hoses, it will restrict
air flow, plus not to mention flex hose is not recommended for venting
stoves. Also how big is the hose? It should be minimum 6" round. And
also approx how long is the run?

> =A0The vent outside actually has some air you can see coming out of it
> but it's definitely not translating to any suction over the range.

Make sure the outside damper moves freely and is not stuck. Also as a
test, remove the damper on the microwave and see if it helps air flow.
Perhaps the damper is getting stuck.


Posted by Mark Modrall on May 14, 2008, 8:48 am
In article

> >
> >    The unit vents up through a hose running up through the cabinet above
> > it with one turn to run along the top of the cabinets and one to the
> > hole outside the wall.
>
> If it's ducted with one of those rigid flex hoses, it will restrict
> air flow, plus not to mention flex hose is not recommended for venting
> stoves. Also how big is the hose? It should be minimum 6" round. And
> also approx how long is the run?

The hose run is about 8-9' all told. The duct up from the microwave
through the cabinet is solid metal. The hose running along the top of
the cabinet seemed pretty flexible - a bit more sturdy than the clothes
drier type hose. That hose runs about 7'.

> >  The vent outside actually has some air you can see coming out of it
> > but it's definitely not translating to any suction over the range.
>
> Make sure the outside damper moves freely and is not stuck. Also as a
> test, remove the damper on the microwave and see if it helps air flow.
> Perhaps the damper is getting stuck.

When the GE tech was here, he removed the vent off the top and showed
that it's moving air, but the air moving out the top doesn't seem to be
translating into suction from the bottom at all.

Not sure which damper on the microwave. As I understand it there are
a couple of different settings on the top, and so far everyone's said
that those are fine.

Nobody including the GE tech can explain why it doesn't draw anything
from the bottom...

Thanks
Mark

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