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Posted by The Daring Dufas on October 13, 2009, 2:13 pm
bud-- wrote:
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> John Grabowski wrote:
>>>> John Grabowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've been attempting to install a new ceiling fan in my
>>>>>>>>> bathroom. the
>>>>>>>>> motor in the old one started making noise, and it was about 20+
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> old...so I figured an upgrade was in order.
>>>>>>>>> I live in an old loft building, where I access the fan from
>>>>>>>>> above my
>>>>>>>>> bathroom (there is a crawlspace above the bathroom) but the
>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>> the loft is open.
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to not have to pull down the sheetrock in my
>>>>>>>>> bathroom in
>>>>>>>>> order to swap out this fan or otherwise make repairs. To be
>>>>>>>>> honest,
>>>>>>>>> I'm not the best with drywalling a ceiling..and that is a bit
>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>> for just swapping out a ceiling fan right?
>>>>>>>>> Anyway...their is a piece of metal conduit that was running
>>>>>>>>> next to
>>>>>>>>> the old fan. I need to move that conduit by 2 inches in order
>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>> new fan to fit. The metal conduit is connected to another
>>>>>>>>> piece about
>>>>>>>>> 3 inches behind the fan...my inclination is to disconnect the
>>>>>>>>> conduit
>>>>>>>>> from the extension, and replace it with a piece of flexible
>>>>>>>>> conduit.
>>>>>>>>> that will allow me to go nicely around the new fan.
>>>>>>>>> can I connect a piece of flex conduit to a piece of regular
>>>>>>>>> conduit (I
>>>>>>>>> assume I will use a junction box)?
>>>>>>>> There are transition fittings that will enable you to go from
>>>>>>>> conduit
>>>>>>>> (EMT) to armored cable or flexible metallic conduit. Ask for a
>>>>>>>> Type
>>>>>>>> EFC or EGC combination coupling. There's no reason to use a
>>>>>>>> junction
>>>>>>>> box unless you will be cutting the wires and splicing.
>>>>>>> You can also make a "gofrom" using an EMT connector to a rigid
>>>>>>> pipe couping to a flex connector (assuming "metal conduit" is
>>>>>>> EMT). I would use a "Tomic" coupling, which is 1/2 length, but
>>>>>>> they are probably relatively hard to find.
>>>>>>>>> can I assume that because I have flex, I can run it diagonally
>>>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>>>> have to worry that the wires won't make it?
>>>>>>>> No, that is your principal worry. Take a piece of string or
>>>>>>>> wire and
>>>>>>>> lay it on the existing layout, then move it to where you want it to
>>>>>>>> be. If it doesn't quite make it, then you will have to go with
>>>>>>>> plan B
>>>>>>>> and install a junction box.
>>>>>>> Or re-fish new wires.
>>>>>> I love the Tomic connectors and can't understand why they're so
>>>>>> hard to come by these days. I did a search and came up with a
>>>>>> two piece connector of the type you might see holding a power
>>>>>> cord on the back of a clothes dryer instead of the one piece
>>>>>> connector that you pop on the end of EMT. When I worked for an
>>>>>> electrical supply company in the early 70's we had them in stock.
>>>>>> The last time I saw any of them was at a missile range in the
>>>>>> late 80's. I wonder what happened to them.
>>>>> *I have no idea what a Tomic connector is. Using three search
>>>>> engines all I came up with is the two screw strain relief dryer
>>>>> cord connector clamp. Anyone have a picture or a link to a picture?
>>>> The connectors are very compact EMT connectors that slip on the
>>>> end of EMT like The Shark Bite connectors for plumbing. They
>>>> were very quick to install, you would slip it on the end of the
>>>> conduit and hammer it home with your lineman's pliers. It made
>>>> it easy to space conduits close together at a junction box. No
>>>> screw sticking out.
>>> *The closet thing that I can think of that resembles what you are
>>> describing are crimp connectors, but you need a crimp tool for them.
>>> Perhaps the Tomic connectors are no longer approved.
>> The connectors had spring loaded teeth that cut into the metal
>> and held it in place. The things may be out of production for
>> some reason or other but I did like them.
>
> I found one in the 'parts archive'. It is marked "TOMIC". It sticks up
> only about 1/4" outside the box (1/2" connector). Most of the EMT
> engagement is inside the threads.
>
> Could probably figure out how to post a picture if someone is interested.
>
> I remember the crimp EMT fittings. IMHO they sucked.
>
That's the one, perhaps a little digging and I can find out
what happened to the product.
TDD
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Posted by John Grabowski on October 14, 2009, 9:17 am
>>>>> John Grabowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've been attempting to install a new ceiling fan in my bathroom.
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> motor in the old one started making noise, and it was about 20+
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>> old...so I figured an upgrade was in order.
>>>>>>>>>> I live in an old loft building, where I access the fan from above
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> bathroom (there is a crawlspace above the bathroom) but the rest
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the loft is open.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to not have to pull down the sheetrock in my bathroom
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> order to swap out this fan or otherwise make repairs. To be
>>>>>>>>>> honest,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not the best with drywalling a ceiling..and that is a bit
>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>> for just swapping out a ceiling fan right?
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway...their is a piece of metal conduit that was running next
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the old fan. I need to move that conduit by 2 inches in order
>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>> new fan to fit. The metal conduit is connected to another piece
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> 3 inches behind the fan...my inclination is to disconnect the
>>>>>>>>>> conduit
>>>>>>>>>> from the extension, and replace it with a piece of flexible
>>>>>>>>>> conduit.
>>>>>>>>>> that will allow me to go nicely around the new fan.
>>>>>>>>>> can I connect a piece of flex conduit to a piece of regular
>>>>>>>>>> conduit (I
>>>>>>>>>> assume I will use a junction box)?
>>>>>>>>> There are transition fittings that will enable you to go from
>>>>>>>>> conduit
>>>>>>>>> (EMT) to armored cable or flexible metallic conduit. Ask for a
>>>>>>>>> Type
>>>>>>>>> EFC or EGC combination coupling. There's no reason to use a
>>>>>>>>> junction
>>>>>>>>> box unless you will be cutting the wires and splicing.
>>>>>>>> You can also make a "gofrom" using an EMT connector to a rigid pipe
>>>>>>>> couping to a flex connector (assuming "metal conduit" is EMT). I
>>>>>>>> would use a "Tomic" coupling, which is 1/2 length, but they are
>>>>>>>> probably relatively hard to find.
>>>>>>>>>> can I assume that because I have flex, I can run it diagonally
>>>>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>>>>> have to worry that the wires won't make it?
>>>>>>>>> No, that is your principal worry. Take a piece of string or wire
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> lay it on the existing layout, then move it to where you want it
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be. If it doesn't quite make it, then you will have to go with
>>>>>>>>> plan B
>>>>>>>>> and install a junction box.
>>>>>>>> Or re-fish new wires.
>>>>>>> I love the Tomic connectors and can't understand why they're so
>>>>>>> hard to come by these days. I did a search and came up with a
>>>>>>> two piece connector of the type you might see holding a power
>>>>>>> cord on the back of a clothes dryer instead of the one piece
>>>>>>> connector that you pop on the end of EMT. When I worked for an
>>>>>>> electrical supply company in the early 70's we had them in stock.
>>>>>>> The last time I saw any of them was at a missile range in the
>>>>>>> late 80's. I wonder what happened to them.
>>>>>> *I have no idea what a Tomic connector is. Using three search
>>>>>> engines all I came up with is the two screw strain relief dryer cord
>>>>>> connector clamp. Anyone have a picture or a link to a picture?
>>>>> The connectors are very compact EMT connectors that slip on the
>>>>> end of EMT like The Shark Bite connectors for plumbing. They
>>>>> were very quick to install, you would slip it on the end of the
>>>>> conduit and hammer it home with your lineman's pliers. It made
>>>>> it easy to space conduits close together at a junction box. No
>>>>> screw sticking out.
>>>> *The closet thing that I can think of that resembles what you are
>>>> describing are crimp connectors, but you need a crimp tool for them.
>>>> Perhaps the Tomic connectors are no longer approved.
>>> The connectors had spring loaded teeth that cut into the metal
>>> and held it in place. The things may be out of production for
>>> some reason or other but I did like them.
>> I found one in the 'parts archive'. It is marked "TOMIC". It sticks up
>> only about 1/4" outside the box (1/2" connector). Most of the EMT
>> engagement is inside the threads.
>> Could probably figure out how to post a picture if someone is interested.
>> I remember the crimp EMT fittings. IMHO they sucked.
> That's the one, perhaps a little digging and I can find out
> what happened to the product.
*I asked an old timer in the supply house yesterday. He knew what they are.
He said the original company probably got bought by another company and the
product line got integrated. He did not have any in stock.
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Posted by RBM on October 11, 2009, 7:46 am
> I've been attempting to install a new ceiling fan in my bathroom. the
> motor in the old one started making noise, and it was about 20+ years
> old...so I figured an upgrade was in order.
> I live in an old loft building, where I access the fan from above my
> bathroom (there is a crawlspace above the bathroom) but the rest of
> the loft is open.
> I'm trying to not have to pull down the sheetrock in my bathroom in
> order to swap out this fan or otherwise make repairs. To be honest,
> I'm not the best with drywalling a ceiling..and that is a bit involved
> for just swapping out a ceiling fan right?
> Anyway...their is a piece of metal conduit that was running next to
> the old fan. I need to move that conduit by 2 inches in order for the
> new fan to fit. The metal conduit is connected to another piece about
> 3 inches behind the fan...my inclination is to disconnect the conduit
> from the extension, and replace it with a piece of flexible conduit.
> that will allow me to go nicely around the new fan.
> can I connect a piece of flex conduit to a piece of regular conduit (I
> assume I will use a junction box)?
> can I assume that because I have flex, I can run it diagonally and not
> have to worry that the wires won't make it?
> I've been making bad assumptions about this project from the
> outset...so I thought those on the interweb could help me out.
> thanks in advance
For two inches, I would try loosening up the straps on the pipe, carefully
bend it out of the way, then reattach it.
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