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new home insulation ????s and others froggy_loves_heddley 01-21-2008
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Posted by on January 21, 2008, 1:40 pm
Hi, I plan on having a new home built this year. I am going to do
some of the work myself and have a few questions. It is going to be a
small, 1400 SF, home and I hope to make it VERY energy efficient.

I am going to use spray foam insulation in the walls and ceiling.
I've read of the unvented, semiconditioned method of doing an attic,
but I am leaning towards foaming the attic floor and adding blown in
on top. The roof will be galvanised metal over foil faced decking. I
feel it is wasteful to allow the heat in my home to go up through an
uninsulated ceiling to semicondition the attic during the winter. The
galvanised metal or radiant barrier decking should keep a lot of heat
from entering the attic in the summers. Any reason why I should
consider the other method?

I'm going to apply 1 inch of foam in the walls and batts over that. I
know I dont need a vapor barrier, but what about a radiant barrier on
the under the drywall on the walls and ceiling? I feel that would
make it very cozy in the winter. Would another layer of radiant
barrier under the outer siding help even more?

Any ideas, suggestions or other help is appreciated.

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on January 21, 2008, 2:09 pm
On Jan 21, 1:40=EF=BF=BDpm, froggy_loves_hedd...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi, I plan on having a new home built this year. =EF=BF=BDI am going to do=

> some of the work myself and have a few questions. =EF=BF=BDIt is going to =
be a
> small, 1400 SF, home and I hope to make it VERY energy efficient.
>
> I am going to use spray foam insulation in the walls and ceiling.
> I've read of the unvented, semiconditioned method of doing an attic,
> but I am leaning towards foaming the attic floor and adding blown in
> on top. =EF=BF=BDThe roof will be galvanised metal over foil faced decking=
. =EF=BF=BDI
> feel it is wasteful to allow the heat in my home to go up through an
> uninsulated ceiling to semicondition the attic during the winter. =EF=BF=
=BDThe
> galvanised metal or radiant barrier decking should keep a lot of heat
> from entering the attic in the summers. =EF=BF=BDAny reason why I should
> consider the other method?
>
> I'm going to apply 1 inch of foam in the walls and batts over that. =EF=BF=
=BDI
> know I dont need a vapor barrier, but what about a radiant barrier on
> the under the drywall on the walls and ceiling? =EF=BF=BDI feel that would=

> make it very cozy in the winter. Would another layer of radiant
> barrier under the outer siding help even more?
>
> Any ideas, suggestions =EF=BF=BDor other help is appreciated.

closed cell foam is over R6 per inch, thats way better than any batt
material.

true its upfront cost is more but it will reward you with a lifetime
on energy savings. plus foam seals all the little airleaks making for
a more energy efficent and quieter home, as air leaks conduct noise.

Go with a foot of foam for R 72 walls and R100 cielings. since your
building theres a HVAC program that can show furnace BTUs needed,
heating cost per year, as the insulation is upgraded.


Posted by ransley on January 21, 2008, 3:07 pm
> On Jan 21, 1:40=EF=BF=BDpm, froggy_loves_hedd...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi, I plan on having a new home built this year. =EF=BF=BDI am going to =
do
> > some of the work myself and have a few questions. =EF=BF=BDIt is going t=
o be a
> > small, 1400 SF, home and I hope to make it VERY energy efficient.
>
> > I am going to use spray foam insulation in the walls and ceiling.
> > I've read of the unvented, semiconditioned method of doing an attic,
> > but I am leaning towards foaming the attic floor and adding blown in
> > on top. =EF=BF=BDThe roof will be galvanised metal over foil faced decki=
ng. =EF=BF=BDI
> > feel it is wasteful to allow the heat in my home to go up through an
> > uninsulated ceiling to semicondition the attic during the winter. =EF=BF=
=BDThe
> > galvanised metal or radiant barrier decking should keep a lot of heat
> > from entering the attic in the summers. =EF=BF=BDAny reason why I should=

> > consider the other method?
>
> > I'm going to apply 1 inch of foam in the walls and batts over that. =EF=
=BF=BDI
> > know I dont need a vapor barrier, but what about a radiant barrier on
> > the under the drywall on the walls and ceiling? =EF=BF=BDI feel that wou=
ld
> > make it very cozy in the winter. Would another layer of radiant
> > barrier under the outer siding help even more?
>
> > Any ideas, suggestions =EF=BF=BDor other help is appreciated.
>
> closed cell foam is over R6 per inch, thats way better than any batt
> material.
>
> true its upfront cost is more but it will reward you with a lifetime
> on energy savings. plus foam seals all the little airleaks making for
> a more energy efficent and quieter home, as air leaks conduct noise.
>
> Go with a foot of foam for R 72 walls and R100 cielings. since your
> building theres a HVAC program that can show furnace BTUs needed,
> heating cost per year, as the insulation is upgraded.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

1400sq ft R 72 walls, R 100 ceiling might need 30,- 40,000 btu or with
a good design with the sun.

Posted by on January 22, 2008, 1:31 pm
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:40=EF=BF=BDpm, froggy_loves_hedd...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Hi, I plan on having a new home built this year. =EF=BF=BDI am going t=
o do
> > > some of the work myself and have a few questions. =EF=BF=BDIt is going=
to be a
> > > small, 1400 SF, home and I hope to make it VERY energy efficient.
>
> > > I am going to use spray foam insulation in the walls and ceiling.
> > > I've read of the unvented, semiconditioned method of doing an attic,
> > > but I am leaning towards foaming the attic floor and adding blown in
> > > on top. =EF=BF=BDThe roof will be galvanised metal over foil faced dec=
king. =EF=BF=BDI
> > > feel it is wasteful to allow the heat in my home to go up through an
> > > uninsulated ceiling to semicondition the attic during the winter. =EF=
=BF=BDThe
> > > galvanised metal or radiant barrier decking should keep a lot of heat
> > > from entering the attic in the summers. =EF=BF=BDAny reason why I shou=
ld
> > > consider the other method?
>
> > > I'm going to apply 1 inch of foam in the walls and batts over that. =
=EF=BF=BDI
> > > know I dont need a vapor barrier, but what about a radiant barrier on
> > > the under the drywall on the walls and ceiling? =EF=BF=BDI feel that w=
ould
> > > make it very cozy in the winter. Would another layer of radiant
> > > barrier under the outer siding help even more?
>
> > > Any ideas, suggestions =EF=BF=BDor other help is appreciated.
>
> > closed cell foam is over R6 per inch, thats way better than any batt
> > material.
>
> > true its upfront cost is more but it will reward you with a lifetime
> > on energy savings. plus foam seals all the little airleaks making for
> > a more energy efficent and quieter home, as air leaks conduct noise.
>
> > Go with a foot of foam for R 72 walls and R100 cielings. since your
> > building theres a HVAC program that can show furnace BTUs needed,
> > heating cost per year, as the insulation is upgraded.- Hide quoted text =
-
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 1400sq ft R 72 walls, R 100 ceiling might need 30,- 40,000 btu or with
> a good design with the sun.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm in Texas near Dallas, so I think the R72 walls and R100 ceiling
are overkill. My main question was foam the roof versus foam the
attic floor. And the radiant barrier on the underside of the ceiling
and under the drywall on the walls.

Posted by ransley on January 21, 2008, 2:38 pm
On Jan 21, 12:40=A0pm, froggy_loves_hedd...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi, I plan on having a new home built this year. =A0I am going to do
> some of the work myself and have a few questions. =A0It is going to be a
> small, 1400 SF, home and I hope to make it VERY energy efficient.
>
> I am going to use spray foam insulation in the walls and ceiling.
> I've read of the unvented, semiconditioned method of doing an attic,
> but I am leaning towards foaming the attic floor and adding blown in
> on top. =A0The roof will be galvanised metal over foil faced decking. =A0I=

> feel it is wasteful to allow the heat in my home to go up through an
> uninsulated ceiling to semicondition the attic during the winter. =A0The
> galvanised metal or radiant barrier decking should keep a lot of heat
> from entering the attic in the summers. =A0Any reason why I should
> consider the other method?
>
> I'm going to apply 1 inch of foam in the walls and batts over that. =A0I
> know I dont need a vapor barrier, but what about a radiant barrier on
> the under the drywall on the walls and ceiling? =A0I feel that would
> make it very cozy in the winter. Would another layer of radiant
> barrier under the outer siding help even more?
>
> Any ideas, suggestions =A0or other help is appreciated.

There are several foam types one is about R 5 one is about R 7.2" One
inch is not much. SIPs houses are 6" of foam for walls and some use
12" for the attic-roof. Depending on where you live, your Zone,
consider 2x6 construction and all foam. If you dont vent the attic you
could have big condensation problems. A tight house will need an air
exchange system. 1" foam and 2.5 of batts is only maybe R 14, that is
not optimal

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