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new primer peeling off mcbill20 11-24-2006
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Posted by on November 24, 2006, 6:31 pm


Hello. I have a small bathroom that was painted with Glidden Evermore
Satin. The paint had been on for a year or so and had no problems.
However, the walls beneath had never been textured for some reason. I
did some remodeling and replaced a doorway with a wall, so of course
there was new drywall there. I figured this would be a good time to
have the whole bathroom textured.

The company that did the texturing used drywall mud that had been
thinned down (the regular stuff in the 5 gallon bucket) rather than the
boxed texture that you add water too. I don't know if that's a problem
or not but I just assumed that they knew what they were doing.

After letting the new texture dry overnight, I put on a coat of the
Kilz Premium water-based primer. I then let that dry for eight hours
with a fan blowing into the bathroom for circulation. I live in
Colorado and this being winter means the humidity is very low. After
the eight hours, I noticed a few little chunks in the texture that I
decided to remove with a razor blade. When I did that I found that the
paint was very pliable and would peel off easily. I then tried removing
a piece of painters tape that was used to mask the shower tiles and
found that it would pull off large pieces of the new paint. I know that
you are normally supposed to use a razor blade to trim along the tape;
this was just done as a test.

Now I am concerned that I will have to somehow remove all the new
primer and start over. I went back to Home Depot where I purchased the
paint and they had no idea what was wrong. One person mentioned that
there is a special primer that is meant for new drywall and texture. I
looked at it and it was only $8 per gallon, compared to the $19 Kilz. I
am assuming that the Kilz should do a better job, especially since most
of the new texture was applied over the layer of satin rather than
just bare drywall.

Any suggestions woudl be appreciated.

Thanks.
Bill


Posted by Joseph Meehan on November 24, 2006, 7:01 pm


mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello. I have a small bathroom that was painted with Glidden Evermore
> Satin. The paint had been on for a year or so and had no problems.
> However, the walls beneath had never been textured for some reason. I
> did some remodeling and replaced a doorway with a wall, so of course
> there was new drywall there. I figured this would be a good time to
> have the whole bathroom textured.
>
> The company that did the texturing used drywall mud that had been
> thinned down (the regular stuff in the 5 gallon bucket) rather than
> the boxed texture that you add water too. I don't know if that's a
> problem or not but I just assumed that they knew what they were doing.
>
> After letting the new texture dry overnight, I put on a coat of the
> Kilz Premium water-based primer. I then let that dry for eight hours
> with a fan blowing into the bathroom for circulation. I live in
> Colorado and this being winter means the humidity is very low. After
> the eight hours, I noticed a few little chunks in the texture that I
> decided to remove with a razor blade. When I did that I found that the
> paint was very pliable and would peel off easily. I then tried
> removing a piece of painters tape that was used to mask the shower
> tiles and found that it would pull off large pieces of the new paint.
> I know that you are normally supposed to use a razor blade to trim
> along the tape; this was just done as a test.
>
> Now I am concerned that I will have to somehow remove all the new
> primer and start over. I went back to Home Depot where I purchased the
> paint and they had no idea what was wrong. One person mentioned that
> there is a special primer that is meant for new drywall and texture. I
> looked at it and it was only $8 per gallon, compared to the $19 Kilz.
> I am assuming that the Kilz should do a better job, especially since
> most of the new texture was applied over the layer of satin rather
> than just bare drywall.
>
> Any suggestions woudl be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Bill

My guess is you are in too much of a hurry. I don't think you had been
allowing enough time between applications. You also may have used materials
that were not compatible. Did you read all the labels.

Frankly, I would never intentionally put a texture on a well, but that
is a matter of taste. That taste however I believe complicated your
problem.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit




Posted by Mike Paulsen on November 25, 2006, 2:42 am


mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello. I have a small bathroom that was painted with Glidden Evermore
> Satin. The paint had been on for a year or so and had no problems.
> However, the walls beneath had never been textured for some reason. I
> did some remodeling and replaced a doorway with a wall, so of course
> there was new drywall there. I figured this would be a good time to
> have the whole bathroom textured.

Makes sense.

>
> The company that did the texturing used drywall mud that had been
> thinned down (the regular stuff in the 5 gallon bucket) rather than the
> boxed texture that you add water too. I don't know if that's a problem
> or not but I just assumed that they knew what they were doing.

Nothing wrong with using pre-mixed All-purpose for texture.

>
> After letting the new texture dry overnight, I put on a coat of the
> Kilz Premium water-based primer.

Overnight may have been rushing it a bit, but it sounds like it was
probably dry from your description.

You don't say what prep was done to the existing paint before it was
textured. Did you (or the taper) clean it with TSP or other suitable
wall cleaner? If it was cleaned, was it rinsed well? Was the existing
paint roughed up with a light sanding? Maybe wiped down with a deglosser?

Is the primer loose on the new drywall, or just the previously painted
sections?

Is the texture coming off with the primer?

(snip)

Posted by TakenEvent on November 25, 2006, 9:21 pm



> Hello. I have a small bathroom that was painted with Glidden Evermore
> Satin. The paint had been on for a year or so and had no problems.
> However, the walls beneath had never been textured for some reason. I
> did some remodeling and replaced a doorway with a wall, so of course
> there was new drywall there. I figured this would be a good time to
> have the whole bathroom textured.
>
> The company that did the texturing used drywall mud that had been
> thinned down (the regular stuff in the 5 gallon bucket) rather than the
> boxed texture that you add water too. I don't know if that's a problem
> or not but I just assumed that they knew what they were doing.
>
> After letting the new texture dry overnight, I put on a coat of the
> Kilz Premium water-based primer. I then let that dry for eight hours
> with a fan blowing into the bathroom for circulation. I live in
> Colorado and this being winter means the humidity is very low. After
> the eight hours, I noticed a few little chunks in the texture that I
> decided to remove with a razor blade. When I did that I found that the
> paint was very pliable and would peel off easily. I then tried removing
> a piece of painters tape that was used to mask the shower tiles and
> found that it would pull off large pieces of the new paint. I know that
> you are normally supposed to use a razor blade to trim along the tape;
> this was just done as a test.
>
> Now I am concerned that I will have to somehow remove all the new
> primer and start over. I went back to Home Depot where I purchased the
> paint and they had no idea what was wrong. One person mentioned that
> there is a special primer that is meant for new drywall and texture. I
> looked at it and it was only $8 per gallon, compared to the $19 Kilz. I
> am assuming that the Kilz should do a better job, especially since most
> of the new texture was applied over the layer of satin rather than
> just bare drywall.
>
> Any suggestions woudl be appreciated.
>


Chances are good that the mud wasn't completely dry before you applied the
primer, and the moisture from the mud is causing the paint to peel. The mud
that comes in buckets takes a while to dry, often 12 hours or more,
especially if it's really thick -- like on a textured wall.

The primer that the [...] at HD mentioned is a low-quality primer that is
good enough for new drywall but not much else. It is not meant to solve any
problems and won't work better than the product you used.

Glidden is not top shelf paint, so to speak, but I've known people to have
good results with the primer. Your best bet is to leave the walls alone for
a few days and keep the heat on. Perhaps you could even sand the primer
down a bit. This may mess up your texture a little bit, but you need to
make sure that the mud dries before painting.

As far as your concern about the tape peeling the primer, that happens a
lot. Your case was probably amplified a bit, but since your walls are
textured, there shouldn't be too much in the way of negative aesthetic
effects.




Posted by Saxman on November 26, 2006, 7:36 am



mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello. I have a small bathroom that was painted with Glidden Evermore
> Satin. The paint had been on for a year or so and had no problems.
> However, the walls beneath had never been textured for some reason. I
> did some remodeling and replaced a doorway with a wall, so of course
> there was new drywall there. I figured this would be a good time to
> have the whole bathroom textured.
>
> The company that did the texturing used drywall mud that had been
> thinned down (the regular stuff in the 5 gallon bucket) rather than the
> boxed texture that you add water too. I don't know if that's a problem
> or not but I just assumed that they knew what they were doing.
>
> After letting the new texture dry overnight, I put on a coat of the
> Kilz Premium water-based primer. I then let that dry for eight hours
> with a fan blowing into the bathroom for circulation. I live in
> Colorado and this being winter means the humidity is very low. After
> the eight hours, I noticed a few little chunks in the texture that I
> decided to remove with a razor blade. When I did that I found that the
> paint was very pliable and would peel off easily. I then tried removing
> a piece of painters tape that was used to mask the shower tiles and
> found that it would pull off large pieces of the new paint. I know that
> you are normally supposed to use a razor blade to trim along the tape;
> this was just done as a test.
>
> Now I am concerned that I will have to somehow remove all the new
> primer and start over. I went back to Home Depot where I purchased the
> paint and they had no idea what was wrong. One person mentioned that
> there is a special primer that is meant for new drywall and texture. I
> looked at it and it was only $8 per gallon, compared to the $19 Kilz. I
> am assuming that the Kilz should do a better job, especially since most
> of the new texture was applied over the layer of satin rather than
> just bare drywall.
>
> Any suggestions woudl be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Bill


I just purchased 2 gallons of gripper primer from
Home Depot to prime newly topcoted plaster,the can say's to wait 3 days before
priming.Mabye that's the problem.


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