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nuts with nylon inserts versus lock washers and jamb nuts mm 05-01-2008
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Posted by mm on May 3, 2008, 11:09 pm
On Fri, 2 May 2008 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

>
>Another key application for nylock nuts is that they can be left
>slightly loose for those instances where you want to allow for
>movement such as at pivot points. You can obtain a snug fit so things
>aren't flopping around, but you can still move the parts.
>
>All steering assemblies and some brake assemblies on official All
>American Soap Box Derby cars use nylock nuts for this very purpose. In
>fact, by rule, the steering assemblies require *two* nylock nuts on
>the same bolt. Talk about overkill!

Nothing is too safe for our kiddies. They should require 3!
>
>


Posted by Tony Hwang on May 3, 2008, 11:21 pm
mm wrote:

> On Fri, 2 May 2008 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>
>
>>Another key application for nylock nuts is that they can be left
>>slightly loose for those instances where you want to allow for
>>movement such as at pivot points. You can obtain a snug fit so things
>>aren't flopping around, but you can still move the parts.
>>
>>All steering assemblies and some brake assemblies on official All
>>American Soap Box Derby cars use nylock nuts for this very purpose. In
>>fact, by rule, the steering assemblies require *two* nylock nuts on
>>the same bolt. Talk about overkill!
>
>
> Nothing is too safe for our kiddies. They should require 3!
>
>>
>
Hi,
Overkill is better than underkill, LOL!

Posted by DerbyDad03 on May 4, 2008, 10:13 pm
> On Fri, 2 May 2008 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>
>
> >Another key application for nylock nuts is that they can be left
> >slightly loose for those instances where you want to allow for
> >movement such as at pivot points. You can obtain a snug fit so things
> >aren't flopping around, but you can still move the parts.
>
> >All steering assemblies and some brake assemblies on official All
> >American Soap Box Derby cars use nylock nuts for this very purpose. In
> >fact, by rule, the steering assemblies require *two* nylock nuts on
> >the same bolt. Talk about overkill!
>
> Nothing is too safe for our kiddies. =A0They should require 3!
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
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re: Nothing is too safe for our kiddies. They should require 3!

Right, and then put an 8 YO in a plastic car going up to 30 MPH with a
3 x 3 rubber pad that drags on the road as a brake.

Trust me, 2, 3, or even 6 nylon nuts on the steering assembly kingpin
will not make the car any safer since that part of the car has never,
ever been the cause of an accident.

Posted by BobR on May 2, 2008, 1:02 pm
mm wrote:
> I bought one of those little kit trailers, what you can get for about
> 350 dollars, with a 4x8' bed, for a one time use, and some little uses
> aftewrads. From Harbor Freight that carries 990 pounds they say. I
> only need to carry less than 100.
>
> Assembling it today, I noticed that they depend on nuts with nylon
> inserts to keep the nuts from coming all the way off. They depend on
> tightening them tighlly to keep them from coming loose.
>
> Is that enough or should I put split ring lock washers under each nut.
>
> Or would it be better, just as good, to put jamb nuts on the bolts
> that are long enough.
>
> IIRC the instructions say in one place to check that the nuts are
> tight after 100 miles, which seems like a good idea, but in another
> place I think it said every 100 miles!!!!!
>
> Thanks

Let me put it this way...I am building an airplane and using the nylon
insert nuts for most applications with a few critical exceptions where
only a castle nut and cotter pin is acceptable. I don't use and
wouldn't even consider using lock washers on anything. On the nylon
insert lock nuts I add a dab of bright colored paint across the thread
and onto the nut in one small area. This will give a visual clue if
the nut should move following installation.

PS: If you are really into the belt and suspenders approach, there
are castle nuts with nylon locking inserts as well.

Posted by dpb on May 2, 2008, 1:11 pm
BobR wrote:
...
> Let me put it this way...I am building an airplane and using the nylon
> insert nuts for most applications with a few critical exceptions where
> only a castle nut and cotter pin is acceptable. I don't use and
> wouldn't even consider using lock washers on anything. ...

I don't know airframe rules, but if you mean "anything" within the
ordinary English meaning, that's simply silly...

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