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old retaining wall pat 07-21-2006
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Posted by pat on July 21, 2006, 9:32 am
Hi

I am thinking about buying a home, but wanted some feedback on what I
think the home inspector may think is a big concern.

The home is on the corner lot of an uphill road and sits quite high
above the sidewalk on the sloped side, and the yard is also at least 1
foot higher than the sidewalk on the level street side. There is an
old retaining wall (it may be the age of the home - 100 years) running
along the perimeter of the sidewalk enclosing the corner of the plot.
The wall looks to be in pretty bad shape -- cracks, water stains,
generally very OLD looking.

How big of a deal is the shape of this wall? Would touch-ups probably
be sufficient, or might there come a time when the entire wall needs to
be replaced?
Do you think this will be a major issue in a home inspection?

Thanks!


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on July 21, 2006, 10:05 am

>
> How big of a deal is the shape of this wall? Would touch-ups probably
> be sufficient, or might there come a time when the entire wall needs to
> be replaced?
> Do you think this will be a major issue in a home inspection?

Can't say for sure not seeing it, but I doubt that a 1' wall will create a
major issue. You also neglected to way what the wall is made from. Ugly
timbers or lovely stone? What you don't know, is when the "damage"
happened. If the wall is 100 years old and moved and cracked 90 years ago,
and has been stable since, it will probably last another 100 years.

It can be replace numerous ways today. Dig it out and pour a solid concrete
wall, put a facing on the concrete, build from block and brick, block and
stucco, or use the landscaping blocks and it becomes a DIY project. Or do
nothing if it does not bother you and does not move any more.

I would not let it become a deal breaker. If it was a 15' wall and in
danger of imminent collapse, I'd be more concerned.



Posted by pat on July 21, 2006, 1:14 pm
Thanks for the feedback Edwin.

Just to follow up, the wall is 1' on the level side of the street --
but on the sloped side it might taper out to about 5'!

I looks to be concrete or a concrete/stone combo, and I just saw a
picture of it about 3 years ago and you can see that major touch-ups
had been done around that time because they allmost white back then.
It looked like there were a lot of major cracks, and the corner was
almost completed touched up.

Any further thoughts?

-Pat


Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > How big of a deal is the shape of this wall? Would touch-ups probably
> > be sufficient, or might there come a time when the entire wall needs to
> > be replaced?
> > Do you think this will be a major issue in a home inspection?
>
> Can't say for sure not seeing it, but I doubt that a 1' wall will create a
> major issue. You also neglected to way what the wall is made from. Ugly
> timbers or lovely stone? What you don't know, is when the "damage"
> happened. If the wall is 100 years old and moved and cracked 90 years ago,
> and has been stable since, it will probably last another 100 years.
>
> It can be replace numerous ways today. Dig it out and pour a solid concrete
> wall, put a facing on the concrete, build from block and brick, block and
> stucco, or use the landscaping blocks and it becomes a DIY project. Or do
> nothing if it does not bother you and does not move any more.
>
> I would not let it become a deal breaker. If it was a 15' wall and in
> danger of imminent collapse, I'd be more concerned.


Posted by hallerb@aol.com on July 21, 2006, 3:10 pm
been there done that wall repair gig:(

No doubt its old and someday may need replaced.

since your a buyer get a few estimates on replacing it, and try getting
something off on the cost of the home. the owner knows it has troubles.

big $$$ are available with a bit of negoiating:)

Say 3 contractors estimate 6 grand for replacement, start by asking for
that much offL)

no luck go to 50% or l;ower if need be,

you have nothing to lose and can save lots of money:)

The dirty secret is ALL RETAINING WALLS FAAIL EVENTUALLY!

easiet thing to do iis tear out wall taper hill a little and plant
groundcover. requires no futher work I have done that at 2 homes it
works great no hill doesnt slide!

anyhow for now use wall as bargaining point!


Posted by Italian on July 22, 2006, 2:27 am
The dirty secret is ALL RETAINING WALLS FAAIL EVENTUALLY!

ALL RETAINING WALLS " DONE INCORRECTLY" FAIL EVENTUALLY
I am a mason and my brother is a Concrete contractor and we have
replaced many walls that were incorrectly built with ones that will be
there till they are torn down.

hallerb@aol.com wrote:
> been there done that wall repair gig:(
>
> No doubt its old and someday may need replaced.
>
> since your a buyer get a few estimates on replacing it, and try getting
> something off on the cost of the home. the owner knows it has troubles.
>
> big $$$ are available with a bit of negoiating:)
>
> Say 3 contractors estimate 6 grand for replacement, start by asking for
> that much offL)
>
> no luck go to 50% or l;ower if need be,
>
> you have nothing to lose and can save lots of money:)
>
> The dirty secret is ALL RETAINING WALLS FAAIL EVENTUALLY!
>
> easiet thing to do iis tear out wall taper hill a little and plant
> groundcover. requires no futher work I have done that at 2 homes it
> works great no hill doesnt slide!
>
> anyhow for now use wall as bargaining point!


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