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permanent connection of propane grill to city gas? Nate Nagel 05-04-2008
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Posted by Nate Nagel on May 4, 2008, 3:15 pm
Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact, sell
propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of finding some
new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales associate to assist
me - even after waiting at the service desk of the second store for a
good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove into Arlington to a small
hardware store that I knew sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new
tank, as I had only one and it was almost empty, I figured if I had two
tanks then I wouldn't ever have to worry about running out and would
also be able to get full use out of them and not have to return a tank
with useful gas left in it for fear of running out mid-grill.

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that they
would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick disconnects,
or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for $20-something. So I
bought the hose, because I figured if there was a waiting list now and
the connector was obsolete, the situation was only going to get worse in
the future. I didn't even ask how much the new tank was... it was
*SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the sort of guy that appreciates a
good grilled trout, and not knowing anywhere else likely to be open on a
Sunday that sold propane, I bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that
I could hook up my grill to it?

thanks,

nate

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Posted by Clot on May 4, 2008, 3:28 pm
Nate Nagel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
> some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
> would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
> Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
> hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
> sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
> finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
> associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
> the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
> into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
> wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
> empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
> worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
> them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
> fear of running out mid-grill.
> Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
> old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that
> they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
> disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
> $20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
> a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
> only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
> the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
> sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
> anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
> bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
> So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
> convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
> delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
> the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so
> that I could hook up my grill to it?


I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State Police
would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would never even
consider it!



Posted by Nate Nagel on May 4, 2008, 3:35 pm
Clot wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
>>some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
>>would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
>>Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
>>hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
>>sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
>>finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
>>associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
>>the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
>>into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
>>wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
>>empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
>>worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
>>them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
>>fear of running out mid-grill.
>>Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
>>old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that
>>they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
>>disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
>>$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
>>a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
>>only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
>>the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
>>sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
>>anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
>>bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
>>So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
>>convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
>>delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
>>the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so
>>that I could hook up my grill to it?
>
>
>
> I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State Police
> would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would never even
> consider it!
>

I'm kind of suspecting that there's a Bad Idea somewhere in there, I
just don't know exactly what it is yet. If it can be overcome, however,
that would be a big savings because AFAIK an empty new tank is only
about $25 meaning a refill at this store would have been about $50.
That's a lot of dough! My monthly gas bill for everything - heating,
water heater, stove, dryer, etc. - has never been over $200, ever.

nate


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Posted by Clot on May 4, 2008, 3:52 pm
Nate Nagel wrote:
> Clot wrote:
>> Nate Nagel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought
>>> home some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it
>>> later, would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting
>>> two Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual
>>> loathing and hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they
>>> did, in fact, sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my
>>> initial goal of finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to
>>> find a sales associate to assist me - even after waiting at the
>>> service desk of the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally
>>> gave up and drove into Arlington to a small hardware store that I
>>> knew sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only
>>> one and it was almost empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I
>>> wouldn't ever have to worry about running out and would also be
>>> able to get full use out of them and not have to return a tank with
>>> useful gas left in it for fear of running out mid-grill.
>>> Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
>>> my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
>>> that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
>>> disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
>>> $20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
>>> a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
>>> only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
>>> the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
>>> sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
>>> anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
>>> bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
>>> So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
>>> convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
>>> as delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
>>> outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
>>> deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?
>>
>>
>>
>> I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State
>> Police would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would
>> never even consider it!
>>
>
> I'm kind of suspecting that there's a Bad Idea somewhere in there, I
> just don't know exactly what it is yet. If it can be overcome,
> however, that would be a big savings because AFAIK an empty new tank
> is only about $25 meaning a refill at this store would have been
> about $50. That's a lot of dough! My monthly gas bill for everything
> - heating, water heater, stove, dryer, etc. - has never been over
> $200, ever.


I'm guessing, but you are talking about circa 50lb. gas tanks? We have a
similar arrangement over here. I have 3 gas tanks - one propane and two
butane that I use rarely. One Butane is used say 0 to 15 times a year for
the BBQ and the others once a year for a local Lions Club MayDay Carnival -
which is tomorrow!

Pre- planning is a good thing! I got hold of the 2 Burcos (large water
boilers), cleaned them, sterilised the contents by boiling, but in the
process found that the propane tank was empty! No problem, the two butane
have enough gas, *ugger, where's the valve? Nicked the one from my BBQ.
Changing that valve reduced my personal energy significantly!

Doug@s comment re the technical issue is right, you'll need different jets.



Posted by Bob M. on May 5, 2008, 9:06 pm
> Clot wrote:

>>
>>
>> I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State
>> Police would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would never
>> even consider it!
>
> I'm kind of suspecting that there's a Bad Idea somewhere in there, I just
> don't know exactly what it is yet. If it can be overcome, however, that
> would be a big savings because AFAIK an empty new tank is only about $25
> meaning a refill at this store would have been about $50.

It is a bad idea. Propane burns hotter than natural gas, so the orifices in
the burners are different. The connectors are different too. You'll need a
new grill to hook it up to gas. Or, -possibly- they sell conversion kits.

My Weber is nat. gas (was that way from the get-go, wheels and all) and
hooked up via the supplied rubber hose to the gas pipe. I'm sure this is
pretty common so there shouldn't be any code concerns there. Now, some
cities ban the use of grills right next to the house.



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