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permanent connection of propane grill to city gas? Nate Nagel 05-04-2008
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Posted by Steve on May 4, 2008, 3:54 pm

> Hi,
>
> I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
> some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
> would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
> Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
> hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
> sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
> finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
> associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
> the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
> into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
> wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
> empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
> worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
> them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
> fear of running out mid-grill.

Is that Arlington, TX?

> Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
> my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
> that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
> disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
> $20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
> a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
> only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
> the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
> sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
> anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
> bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
>
> So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
> convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
> as delivered to one's house?

Yes. You'll have to replace the orifice with one designed for natural
gas.

> If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
> outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
> deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?

Yes. You'll need an actual plumber, at least in North Texas. The gas
company will cut off your gas, the new work will be done, and the gas
company will do an inspection before they turn the gas back on. You
might be able to get away with doing it yourself, but if you mess up,
your insurance company probably won't cover it. If you hire a plumber,
his insurance takes over.
--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement

Posted by Colbyt on May 4, 2008, 4:44 pm

>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
>> some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
>> would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
>> Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
>> hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
>> sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
>> finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
>> associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
>> the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
>> into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
>> wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
>> empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
>> worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
>> them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
>> fear of running out mid-grill.
>
> Is that Arlington, TX?
>
>> Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
>> my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
>> that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
>> disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
>> $20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
>> a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
>> only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
>> the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
>> sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
>> anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
>> bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
>>
>> So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
>> convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
>> as delivered to one's house?
>
> Yes. You'll have to replace the orifice with one designed for natural
> gas.
>
>> If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
>> outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
>> deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?
>
> Yes. You'll need an actual plumber, at least in North Texas. The gas
> company will cut off your gas, the new work will be done, and the gas
> company will do an inspection before they turn the gas back on. You
> might be able to get away with doing it yourself, but if you mess up,
> your insurance company probably won't cover it. If you hire a plumber,
> his insurance takes over.
> --
> Steve B.
> New Life Home Improvement




I will second the answers that Steve gave with the exceptions that here it
is legal for the homeowner to do it in their personal residence.

The big gottcha is finding the proper orifice and you must have an internal
and external shutoff here.






Posted by Nate Nagel on May 4, 2008, 5:58 pm
Colbyt wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
>>>some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
>>>would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
>>>Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
>>>hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
>>>sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
>>>finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
>>>associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
>>>the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
>>>into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
>>>wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
>>>empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
>>>worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
>>>them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
>>>fear of running out mid-grill.
>>
>>Is that Arlington, TX?
>>
>>
>>>Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
>>>my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
>>>that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
>>>disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
>>>$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
>>>a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
>>>only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
>>>the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
>>>sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
>>>anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
>>>bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
>>>
>>>So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
>>>convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
>>>as delivered to one's house?
>>
>>Yes. You'll have to replace the orifice with one designed for natural
>>gas.
>>
>>
>>>If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
>>>outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
>>>deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?
>>
>>Yes. You'll need an actual plumber, at least in North Texas. The gas
>>company will cut off your gas, the new work will be done, and the gas
>>company will do an inspection before they turn the gas back on. You
>>might be able to get away with doing it yourself, but if you mess up,
>>your insurance company probably won't cover it. If you hire a plumber,
>>his insurance takes over.
>>--
>>Steve B.
>>New Life Home Improvement
>
>
>
>
>
> I will second the answers that Steve gave with the exceptions that here it
> is legal for the homeowner to do it in their personal residence.
>
> The big gottcha is finding the proper orifice and you must have an internal
> and external shutoff here.
>

To answer a couple questions in one post, I'm talking about Arlington,
VA, and the tank in question that I spent so much money on is not a 50
lb deal but a standard 17 lb propane tank, hence my suspicion that the
pricing is significantly higher than I'd spend if I simply used regular
natural gas.

nate


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Posted by Colbyt on May 4, 2008, 6:25 pm

> To answer a couple questions in one post, I'm talking about Arlington, VA,
> and the tank in question that I spent so much money on is not a 50 lb deal
> but a standard 17 lb propane tank, hence my suspicion that the pricing is
> significantly higher than I'd spend if I simply used regular natural gas.
>
> nate


Those are 20 pound tanks and only the rip-off "exchange" places put 17
pounds in them. BlueRhino for one will even give you a tank that can not be
refilled elsewhere. Sounds like "restraint of trade" to me but I just vote
with my pocketbook by not buying their product.

If you can run your own line or have it done cheaply the NG will be far
cheaper. Propane heat costs more here (KY) than electric does.

Ducane makes a convertible grill. Whether yours is or not can only be
answered by the MFG.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com



Posted by Robert Neville on May 4, 2008, 7:26 pm


>BlueRhino for one will even give you a tank that can not be
>refilled elsewhere.

How do they enforce that? It's been a few years since I was forced to use them,
but the last time I exchanged a tank it had the same valve as a standard tank
and they plastered the "You Own It" banner all over the tank.

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