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protecting asphalt roof shingles SteveB 06-13-2008
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Posted by Red Green on June 15, 2008, 8:32 am
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> Oren wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > HeyBub wrote:
>> >
>> >> SteveB wrote:
>> >> > How to protect asphalt roof shingles came up at the /Trinity
>> Habitat >> > for Humanity/ meeting last night.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the roof is on, we have to send volunteers topside to
>> install >> > corbels, touch up paint, etc. Shoes on the shingles
>> frequently >> > damage the shingles, knocking off enough grit that
>> the inspector >> > requires replacement.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course, the obvious answer is don't put the shingles on so
>> soon, >> > but that ain't gonna happen. The house has to be dried in,
>> and >> > theres always one more punch-list item up top. (Our motto
>> is, "We >> > do it right the last time.")
>> >> >
>> >> > Who has suggestions for how to protect asphalt shingles from
>> damage >> > by shoes in the Texas heat?
>> >>
>> >> What kind of damage? The roof is expected (I hope) to survive
>> decades >> of rain, hail, birds, branches, golf balls, cats,
>> raccoons, and (at >> Christmas) reindeer.
>> >>
>> >> Besides, assuming the roofers start at the edge and work up, if
>> they >> don't walk on the roof, how do they get down? Is this the
>> outside >> equivalent of painting ones self into a corner?
>> >
>> > Shingles are installed by a contractor early in the construction
>> > process to get the house "dried in" so water-sensitive work can
>> > start and inspections can start.
>> >
>> > It's cheaper to have a contractor put on the roof. The work is done
>> > in a day; it's done right; there's a warranty; and it's cheaper
>> > because our liability insurance rate goes down.
>> >
>> > Texas heat gets into the 90s by mid-morning. Sometimes it doesn't
>> > get _out_ of the 90s overnight. This causes the asphalt in the
>> > shingles to be soft and the granules to come loose easily if
>> > stepped on roughly. The contractors obviously know what they're
>> > doing. If they screw up the shingles, they have to replace them
>> > themselves.
>> >
>> > Because all work is done by volunteers (except for flatwork,
>> > roofing, wallboard, and licensed trades), expertise is lacking. I
>> > can only tell someone to walk lightly on the shingles; I can't
>> > stand by and make sure they do it.
>>
>> Why are they up there, on the shingles? Roofing is under contract,
>> right?
>>
>> I'm in the Mohave desert, at about triple digits this week, and people
>> are walking on asphalt shingles. I think the hype of lost grit is
>> over rated. Walk gently, my friend:)
>
> The volunteers are not doing roofing. They're installing trim and
> fixing punch-list items. There are _always_ lots of punch-list items.
> ("We do it right the last time.")
>
> As far as the shingles go, all I can tell you is that walking on them
> by people who aren't careful sometimes causes enough damage that the
> roof fails a final inspection. Besides, the rule for making punch-lists
> is, "How would you want it if it were your house?")
>

I've done some roofing backwards up the roof when it's very hot. Still
applying bottom to top but standing/squatting only above the new
shingles. I've also taken a hose up to cool an area when I must stand on
it. Pick up feet when turning. Not twisting on ball or heel of foot.

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Posted by Dave Martindale on June 16, 2008, 2:25 pm

>The volunteers are not doing roofing. They're installing trim and
>fixing punch-list items. There are _always_ lots of punch-list items.
>("We do it right the last time.")

>As far as the shingles go, all I can tell you is that walking on them
>by people who aren't careful sometimes causes enough damage that the
>roof fails a final inspection. Besides, the rule for making punch-lists
>is, "How would you want it if it were your house?")

It sounds like your problem is one of unskilled and untrained volunteers
working on a roof. Why not train some of your volunteers how to work on
roofs without damaging them, and then only allow ones with such training
onto the roof?

        Dave

Posted by Oren on June 16, 2008, 3:44 pm
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:25:21 +0000 (UTC), davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave
Martindale) wrote:

>
>>The volunteers are not doing roofing. They're installing trim and
>>fixing punch-list items. There are _always_ lots of punch-list items.
>>("We do it right the last time.")
>
>>As far as the shingles go, all I can tell you is that walking on them
>>by people who aren't careful sometimes causes enough damage that the
>>roof fails a final inspection. Besides, the rule for making punch-lists
>>is, "How would you want it if it were your house?")
>
>It sounds like your problem is one of unskilled and untrained volunteers
>working on a roof. Why not train some of your volunteers how to work on
>roofs without damaging them, and then only allow ones with such training
>onto the roof?
>
>        Dave

It's THAT simple!

Pick the young ones; elders, not allowed up there. Somebody in this
volunteer group has too have walked on a roof, before.


Posted by SteveB on June 16, 2008, 10:48 pm
Oren wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:25:21 +0000 (UTC), davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave
> Martindale) wrote:
>
> >
> > > The volunteers are not doing roofing. They're installing trim and
> > > fixing punch-list items. There are always lots of punch-list
> > > items. ("We do it right the last time.")
> >
> > > As far as the shingles go, all I can tell you is that walking on
> > > them by people who aren't careful sometimes causes enough damage
> > > that the roof fails a final inspection. Besides, the rule for
> > > making punch-lists is, "How would you want it if it were your
> > > house?")
> >
> > It sounds like your problem is one of unskilled and untrained
> > volunteers working on a roof. Why not train some of your
> > volunteers how to work on roofs without damaging them, and then
> > only allow ones with such training onto the roof?
>
> It's THAT simple!
>
> Pick the young ones; elders, not allowed up there. Somebody in this
> volunteer group has too have walked on a roof, before.

Sorry, but it's actually *not* that simple. Most volunteers work
exactly one day before they go back to their job that has nothing to do
with construction. The few people who come back are recruited for
training, exactly as you recommend.

I remember the day that 20 CPAs from an accounting firm showed up. Most
of them had never used a hammer before. By the end of the day, we had
most of the siding and exterior trim up.

A large part of the volunteer experience is being able to go back and
tell their friends, "I helped build a house (even though I don't know
what I'm doing)."


Putting a strip of old carpet up there is the best suggestion so far.

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

Posted by Red Green on June 16, 2008, 11:09 pm

> Oren wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:25:21 +0000 (UTC), davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave
>> Martindale) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > > The volunteers are not doing roofing. They're installing trim and
>> > > fixing punch-list items. There are always lots of punch-list
>> > > items. ("We do it right the last time.")
>> >
>> > > As far as the shingles go, all I can tell you is that walking on
>> > > them by people who aren't careful sometimes causes enough damage
>> > > that the roof fails a final inspection. Besides, the rule for
>> > > making punch-lists is, "How would you want it if it were your
>> > > house?")
>> >
>> > It sounds like your problem is one of unskilled and untrained
>> > volunteers working on a roof. Why not train some of your
>> > volunteers how to work on roofs without damaging them, and then
>> > only allow ones with such training onto the roof?
>>
>> It's THAT simple!
>>
>> Pick the young ones; elders, not allowed up there. Somebody in this
>> volunteer group has too have walked on a roof, before.
>
> Sorry, but it's actually *not* that simple. Most volunteers work
> exactly one day before they go back to their job that has nothing to do
> with construction. The few people who come back are recruited for
> training, exactly as you recommend.
>
> I remember the day that 20 CPAs from an accounting firm showed up. Most
> of them had never used a hammer before. By the end of the day, we had
> most of the siding and exterior trim up.
>
> A large part of the volunteer experience is being able to go back and
> tell their friends, "I helped build a house (even though I don't know
> what I'm doing)."
>
>
> Putting a strip of old carpet up there is the best suggestion so far.
>

Yep, done that one too. Just left it up there. Actually brought it up
more times than I brought it down. Rainstorm, wind, fished it out of the
pool.

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