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Posted by Red Green on June 17, 2008, 10:24 pm
> SteveB wrote:
>> Oren wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:25:21 +0000 (UTC), davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave
>>> Martindale) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The volunteers are not doing roofing. They're installing trim and
>>>>> fixing punch-list items. There are always lots of punch-list
>>>>> items. ("We do it right the last time.")
>>>>> As far as the shingles go, all I can tell you is that walking on
>>>>> them by people who aren't careful sometimes causes enough damage
>>>>> that the roof fails a final inspection. Besides, the rule for
>>>>> making punch-lists is, "How would you want it if it were your
>>>>> house?")
>>>> It sounds like your problem is one of unskilled and untrained
>>>> volunteers working on a roof. Why not train some of your
>>>> volunteers how to work on roofs without damaging them, and then
>>>> only allow ones with such training onto the roof?
>>> It's THAT simple!
>>>
>>> Pick the young ones; elders, not allowed up there. Somebody in this
>>> volunteer group has too have walked on a roof, before.
>>
>> Sorry, but it's actually *not* that simple. Most volunteers work
>> exactly one day before they go back to their job that has nothing to
>> do with construction. The few people who come back are recruited for
>> training, exactly as you recommend.
>>
>> I remember the day that 20 CPAs from an accounting firm showed up.
>> Most of them had never used a hammer before. By the end of the day,
>> we had most of the siding and exterior trim up.
>>
>> A large part of the volunteer experience is being able to go back and
>> tell their friends, "I helped build a house (even though I don't know
>> what I'm doing)."
>>
>>
>> Putting a strip of old carpet up there is the best suggestion so far.
>>
>
> Ban boots and street shoes from the roof. I find the ten-buck Wally
> World tennis shoes great for roof work. Brush the soles before you go
> up the ladder, walk gently, never step in valleys and on peaks, no
> problems. I'm rather surprised your insurance carrier lets you use raw
> volunteers for high work- the Habitat sites around here try really
> hard to reserve those jobs for current or retired tradesmen who have a
> clue.
>
> I hear you about the training curve- but can you add 'tennis shoes' to
> the list of stuff you tell people to bring, like gloves, appropriate
> outdoor clothes, etc? And can you gently discourage the heavyweights
> from roof work? All else being equal, the heavier the boot print, the
> more damage to the shingles.
>
> Hard for me to understand somebody taking more than 5 seconds to grasp
> the concepts involved, but I grew up in the business, so I'm not a
> good judge of that.
>
> --
> aem sends...
>
Screw all the shoes. Just have Hindu firewalkers do the roof.
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