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retrofit patio door question Shantanu Sen 12-17-2007
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Posted by Shantanu Sen on December 17, 2007, 11:48 pm
I live in northern California and am planning to replace a set of old single
pane almunium patio doors with double-pane vinyl ones.

Option 1 is to go for the installation type that keeps the top, left and
right frames and only replaces the bottom frame. The advantage is that there
is almost no chance of leakage etc. The disadvantage is that I will lose
glass most likely by 2" on left and right and maybe 3" from the top.

Option 2 is to go for the installation type that will remove all the frames
but will not damage stucco. On the outside they will cut about an inch of
stucco to take out the present frames and after installing the new ones will
seal the gap with polyurethine sealant and then place wooden flanges on top
of it. The advantage is no loss of glass and hence keep the original
opening. The disadvantage is that this option opens the possibility of
leakage (since the original flashing paper will be surely torn in places
when the old frame is taken out) if the installer does not properly put
flashing paper etc and hence this may lead to dry rot at some point in the
future if indeed there is leakage.

Are there any opinions on which option is 'better' so to speak? About 50% of
the contractors I have spoken to recommend Option 2 and the rest Option 1. I
am currently unable to decide and can definitely use some sort of guidance.
Note that I am not considering the price factor here - the cost of both the
options are comparable.

Note that I am not going for new installation that will need the stucco to
be removed at least 9" and re-stucco it and paint it etc.

Thanks for any pointers on this.

Sen



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Posted by Howard Beale on December 18, 2007, 2:46 pm
Shantanu Sen wrote:

> Are there any opinions on which option is 'better' so to speak? About 50% of
> the contractors I have spoken to recommend Option 2 and the rest Option 1. I
> am currently unable to decide and can definitely use some sort of guidance.
> Note that I am not considering the price factor here - the cost of both the
> options are comparable.

In-frame replacements look bad. Go with 2. Given the quality of sealants
and adhesives and how stringent building codes are about window/door
leakage and sealing, as long as the installer and product are reputable the
odds of significant infiltration are pretty low.

> Note that I am not going for new installation that will need the stucco to
> be removed at least 9" and re-stucco it and paint it etc.

We went round-and-round with something similar with Window replacements; a
contractor we'd used quoted us a price 50% more than Pella & Andersen to
replace our windows with Andersen new-construction windows. Some of the
price difference (15%) was framing to fit standard size windows to
non-standard openings, but most was the cost of ripping off siding to apply
membrane to the sheathing and all the other code-requirements for Window
installs.

The contractor couldn't understand how Pella & Andersen could both do
replacement installs without this work and still meet code, yet both Pella
& Andersen have extremely long warranties on products and installation, so
I can only assume that materials and installation techniques are good
enough that moisture infiltration isn't an issue.

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