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seer rating doesn't match power draw melbjer 07-29-2005
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Posted by Carolina Breeze HVAC on July 30, 2005, 7:24 am



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>>Sherman wrote:
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>>> wrote:
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>>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:31:43 GMT, melbjer@hotmail.com wrote:
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>>>>>I am looking afor a new central AC. I live in Florida so efficiency is
>>>>>important. I looked at Tranes, and found that the 4 1/2 ton unit I
>>>>>looked at was rated at a 14 SEER, yet the specs stated it drew 27.5
>>>>>amps for the compressor, an amp or so for the compressor fan, and 7
>>>>>amps for the air handler blower (full speed). Now 4 1/2 tons is 54000
>>>>>BTU's per hour, and the power draw is (27.5+1+7)amps X 220V, or 7800
>>>>>watts. This would seem to me to give a SEER of 6.9. This is less than
>>>>>half of the stated SEER of 14. Can anyone explain this? I looked at
>>>>>the ARI website and this seems to be the case for every manufacturer.
>>>>>If I buy a buy a 14 SEER 54000 BTU/hour AC, I would expect it to draw
>>>>>54000/14 watts, or 3850 watts. Can anyone explain this? Neither the
>>>>>Trane dealer or distributor could answer this. Thank you in advance.
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>You are wrong to assume that amps are indirectly proportional to
>>>>SEER.
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>>>
>>> What I mean.....
>>>
>>> I notice that increasing the size of the evaporator will increase
>>> the SEER. The figures from several evaluations show that a 3 ton
>>> compressor connected to 5 ton evaporator is a couple of points higher
>>> in SEER that when matched.
>>>
>>> Using controls that let the inside fan continue blowing after the
>>> compressor shuts down also increases the SEER.
>>>
>>> In other words, it's not all about the amps.
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>>Right, it's about true power, of which amps are required to compute.
>>IOW, it is indeed about amps, but in ways that you apparently don't
>>understand.
>>
>>hvacrmedic
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> How does a bigger coil reduce the amps?
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Reduces load for starters.

Amps mean nothing of great importance here..you can have a 16SEER unit
pulling 50 amps and its still 16SEER.

Bottom line, for every watt used, how many BTUs are being removed?




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Posted by on July 30, 2005, 10:41 am



>Bottom line, for every watt used, how many BTUs are being removed?

You might enjoy learning the difference between power and energy :-)

Nick



Posted by Carolina Breeze HVAC on July 30, 2005, 12:30 pm



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>>Bottom line, for every watt used, how many BTUs are being removed?
>
> You might enjoy learning the difference between power and energy :-)
>
> Nick
>

And you might enjoy learning what ASHRAE says about SEER.. :-)

No flame, just back at ya.





Posted by RP on July 30, 2005, 10:17 pm




Carolina Breeze HVAC wrote:

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>>>Bottom line, for every watt used, how many BTUs are being removed?
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>>You might enjoy learning the difference between power and energy :-)
>>
>>Nick
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> And you might enjoy learning what ASHRAE says about SEER.. :-)
>
> No flame, just back at ya.

Oh no Nick, not the BTU vs. BTUH thing again :) Of course as Steve wrote
it, it was incorrect. OTOH the convention of saying BTU when BTUH is
meant has set in and will be difficult to purge from the language.

hvacrmedic



Posted by ~^Johnny^~ on July 31, 2005, 1:39 am


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>Oh no Nick, not the BTU vs. BTUH thing again :) Of course as Steve
>wrote it, it was incorrect. OTOH the convention of saying BTU when
>BTUH is meant has set in and will be difficult to purge from the
>language.

I must have wasted a good horsepower hour downloading and reading
these threads.


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