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sill plate bolt Eigenvector 10-21-2006
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Posted by Eigenvector on October 21, 2006, 7:26 pm


I've seen this in a few houses, my own included, where the anchor bolt for
the sill plate is not inserted into the framing but rather inserted into a
cutout and pounded flat into the wood. Can this be corrected, as in the
bolt straightened and properly tied to the sill plate? I've found about 4
of these bolts and all of them are done in the same way, a large cutout in
put in the sill plate the bolt is then pounded over until it is mashed into
the plate. I guess that's secure, somewhat, but probably not what the
designers had in mind. In fact doing that was probably harder than putting
a nut on the bolt and fastening it down - which makes me wonder why that's
done in the first place.

None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking at
ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.

BTW: Why is drywall so expensive? 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8".



Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on October 21, 2006, 7:46 pm



> I've seen this in a few houses, my own included, where the anchor bolt for
> the sill plate is not inserted into the framing but rather inserted into a
> cutout and pounded flat into the wood. Can this be corrected, as in the
> bolt straightened and properly tied to the sill plate?

The bolt will snap if you tryu to straighten it. If you have concerns, you
should add anchors.




>
> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking at
> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.

It does not have to contact the foundation.

>
> BTW: Why is drywall so expensive? 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8".

Same reason everything else has gone up. Cost of energy is a huge factor, as
well as supply and demand. Lots of homes in the south are in need of
drywall.



Posted by BobK207 on October 21, 2006, 9:31 pm



Eigenvector wrote:
> I've seen this in a few houses, my own included, where the anchor bolt for
> the sill plate is not inserted into the framing but rather inserted into a
> cutout and pounded flat into the wood. Can this be corrected, as in the
> bolt straightened and properly tied to the sill plate? I've found about 4
> of these bolts and all of them are done in the same way, a large cutout in
> put in the sill plate the bolt is then pounded over until it is mashed into
> the plate. I guess that's secure, somewhat, but probably not what the
> designers had in mind. In fact doing that was probably harder than putting
> a nut on the bolt and fastening it down - which makes me wonder why that's
> done in the first place.
>
> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking at
> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.
>
> BTW: Why is drywall so expensive? 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8".

EV-

If you're concerned about the anchors & sill ......I'd move ~ 1' away
from the defective one & install new ones (two for each f'd up
one)......overkill but I cannot tell from here if the sill is somewhat
compromised by the hatchet job.

In seismic areas I'd use a Sika epoxy....non-seismic a Hilti Quik bolt,
RedHead or Rawl wedge anchor

> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking at
> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.

I don't understand this comment .....what's it sitting on if it's 1/2"
up?


Where are you located? 5/8" drywall in SoCal is not $16

cheers
Bob


Posted by Eigenvector on October 22, 2006, 12:38 am



>
> Eigenvector wrote:
>> I've seen this in a few houses, my own included, where the anchor bolt
>> for
>> the sill plate is not inserted into the framing but rather inserted into
>> a
>> cutout and pounded flat into the wood. Can this be corrected, as in the
>> bolt straightened and properly tied to the sill plate? I've found about
>> 4
>> of these bolts and all of them are done in the same way, a large cutout
>> in
>> put in the sill plate the bolt is then pounded over until it is mashed
>> into
>> the plate. I guess that's secure, somewhat, but probably not what the
>> designers had in mind. In fact doing that was probably harder than
>> putting
>> a nut on the bolt and fastening it down - which makes me wonder why
>> that's
>> done in the first place.
>>
>> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
>> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking
>> at
>> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.
>>
>> BTW: Why is drywall so expensive? 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8".
>
> EV-
>
> If you're concerned about the anchors & sill ......I'd move ~ 1' away
> from the defective one & install new ones (two for each f'd up
> one)......overkill but I cannot tell from here if the sill is somewhat
> compromised by the hatchet job.
>
> In seismic areas I'd use a Sika epoxy....non-seismic a Hilti Quik bolt,
> RedHead or Rawl wedge anchor
>
>> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
>> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking
>> at
>> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.
>
> I don't understand this comment .....what's it sitting on if it's 1/2"
> up?
>
>
> Where are you located? 5/8" drywall in SoCal is not $16
>
> cheers
> Bob
>

Maybe I ought to take a photo of this to make it clearer what I mean.
Although based on what Pawlowski indicated it doesn't sound too important.

I personally am not worried about it so much as I'd like to correct it while
I have a good opportunity

http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenvector/houseideas/websize/PA210055.JPG
That's pretty representative of the gap, the actual board is resting on a
small nubbin of concrete, but it ain't much. Its wide enough to see
daylight through, wide enough for the buggies to get in without too much
trouble. The house is post and pier foundation, the basement was an
addition.

http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenvector/houseideas/websize/PA210056.JPG
there's the bolt, again pretty representative of how the sill plate is
attached to the foundation.

Again, since the wall IS going to be open (as if I haven't started yet) I
just kind of wondered if there was something I could do about it. So far
I've been stuffing the gaps with Great Stuff, pretty handy really.

As to 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8", that's what Lowe's is selling it for over
my way.



Posted by BobK207 on October 22, 2006, 1:16 am



Eigenvector wrote:
> >
> > Eigenvector wrote:
> >> I've seen this in a few houses, my own included, where the anchor bolt
> >> for
> >> the sill plate is not inserted into the framing but rather inserted into
> >> a
> >> cutout and pounded flat into the wood. Can this be corrected, as in the
> >> bolt straightened and properly tied to the sill plate? I've found about
> >> 4
> >> of these bolts and all of them are done in the same way, a large cutout
> >> in
> >> put in the sill plate the bolt is then pounded over until it is mashed
> >> into
> >> the plate. I guess that's secure, somewhat, but probably not what the
> >> designers had in mind. In fact doing that was probably harder than
> >> putting
> >> a nut on the bolt and fastening it down - which makes me wonder why
> >> that's
> >> done in the first place.
> >>
> >> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
> >> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking
> >> at
> >> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.
> >>
> >> BTW: Why is drywall so expensive? 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8".
> >
> > EV-
> >
> > If you're concerned about the anchors & sill ......I'd move ~ 1' away
> > from the defective one & install new ones (two for each f'd up
> > one)......overkill but I cannot tell from here if the sill is somewhat
> > compromised by the hatchet job.
> >
> > In seismic areas I'd use a Sika epoxy....non-seismic a Hilti Quik bolt,
> > RedHead or Rawl wedge anchor
> >
> >> None of the framing in my basement is tied to the foundation, in fact the
> >> framing sits about 1/2 off the surface of the foundation so I'm looking
> >> at
> >> ways to correct this before I close the wall up with new drywall.
> >
> > I don't understand this comment .....what's it sitting on if it's 1/2"
> > up?
> >
> >
> > Where are you located? 5/8" drywall in SoCal is not $16
> >
> > cheers
> > Bob
> >
>
> Maybe I ought to take a photo of this to make it clearer what I mean.
> Although based on what Pawlowski indicated it doesn't sound too important.
>
> I personally am not worried about it so much as I'd like to correct it while
> I have a good opportunity
>
> http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenvector/houseideas/websize/PA210055.JPG
> That's pretty representative of the gap, the actual board is resting on a
> small nubbin of concrete, but it ain't much. Its wide enough to see
> daylight through, wide enough for the buggies to get in without too much
> trouble. The house is post and pier foundation, the basement was an
> addition.
>
> http://photos.imageevent.com/eigenvector/houseideas/websize/PA210056.JPG
> there's the bolt, again pretty representative of how the sill plate is
> attached to the foundation.
>
> Again, since the wall IS going to be open (as if I haven't started yet) I
> just kind of wondered if there was something I could do about it. So far
> I've been stuffing the gaps with Great Stuff, pretty handy really.
>
> As to 16 bucks a sheet for 5/8", that's what Lowe's is selling it for over
> my way.


EV-

Good photos.....What I got out of them is....the sill does contact but
intermitently / incompletely.

If it really bothers you & you want the final result to be as if the
concrete / sill interface had been done right...........I'd fill it
with SiKA Sikadur Epoxy fast set....... Stronger than concrete.

If you just want to fill the gap (non-structural) use caulk or foam.

The sill bolts are a hack job but unless you have e/q's or high
winds........

If you don't want to do the double wedge anchors....consider a coupling
nut . Add a large washer to span cut & bolt to tighten the whole
thing up.

I'd do the double wedge anchors, probably faster & easier..

cheers
Bob


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