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soldering question MattMika 06-16-2005
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Posted by MattMika on June 16, 2005, 1:09 pm
I'm finally getting around to replacing my irrigation systems back
flow safety and had a question or two.

Originally I had two atmospheric valves on my irrigation supply line.
I've now bought a pressure vacuum breaker. I have everything pieced
together and ready to solder.

1) The old setup was all soldered together, no easy break down. I had
to cut an elbow to get everything off. Does it matter if I solder it
all together again or should I put a coupler in there?

2) Assuming I just solder it all together as is how will teflon tape
on a threaded male adapter hold up to the heat of soldering the other
end of the same adapter?

Thanks
Matt

Posted by on June 16, 2005, 2:01 pm
Hi, Matt.

Dunno what a "coupler" is. What you removed, you can replace, with
the challenge of melting solder while placing fittings. Always: shine
the joint faces, and liberal flux.

What I'd use: sweat unions, to enable quick disconnect of sections of
tubing. Then you likely don't have to concern yourself with some
threaded joints.

I've had taped threaded joints near sweated joints many times, with no
failures. Heat it just enough to get the solder to flow, of course.

HTH,
J

MattMika wrote:
> I'm finally getting around to replacing my irrigation systems back
> flow safety and had a question or two.
>
> Originally I had two atmospheric valves on my irrigation supply line.
> I've now bought a pressure vacuum breaker. I have everything pieced
> together and ready to solder.
>
> 1) The old setup was all soldered together, no easy break down. I had
> to cut an elbow to get everything off. Does it matter if I solder it
> all together again or should I put a coupler in there?
>
> 2) Assuming I just solder it all together as is how will teflon tape
> on a threaded male adapter hold up to the heat of soldering the other
> end of the same adapter?
>
> Thanks
> Matt


Posted by cowboy on June 17, 2005, 10:08 am
teflon tape and high heat - not a good mix



> I'm finally getting around to replacing my irrigation systems back
> flow safety and had a question or two.
>
> Originally I had two atmospheric valves on my irrigation supply line.
> I've now bought a pressure vacuum breaker. I have everything pieced
> together and ready to solder.
>
> 1) The old setup was all soldered together, no easy break down. I had
> to cut an elbow to get everything off. Does it matter if I solder it
> all together again or should I put a coupler in there?
>
> 2) Assuming I just solder it all together as is how will teflon tape
> on a threaded male adapter hold up to the heat of soldering the other
> end of the same adapter?
>
> Thanks
> Matt



Posted by MattMika on June 17, 2005, 11:35 am
>teflon tape and high heat - not a good mix

Yes, I found that out last night. After soldering the pieces together
and turning on the water I found one small leak in a sweat joint that
I figure I could have just heated again to seal but then realized one
of the two threaded joints was leaking. I was pissed, as I have to
pull it all apart and try again. Guess I'll learn to sweat a joint
better, it didnt work quite as easily as I thought would. A couple
joints sucked the solder right up but one or two didnt seem to work to
well, fortuneatly only one leaked.

Is there a better sealer to use? One that will take the heat better?
Is there some type of sealer I can just paint onto the threads that
will seep in and seal it?
Thanks,

Matt

Posted by Duane Bozarth on June 17, 2005, 12:02 pm
MattMika wrote:
>
> >teflon tape and high heat - not a good mix
>
> Yes, I found that out last night. After soldering the pieces together
> and turning on the water I found one small leak in a sweat joint that
> I figure I could have just heated again to seal but then realized one
> of the two threaded joints was leaking. I was pissed, as I have to
> pull it all apart and try again. Guess I'll learn to sweat a joint
> better, it didnt work quite as easily as I thought would. A couple
> joints sucked the solder right up but one or two didnt seem to work to
> well, fortuneatly only one leaked.

Most likely one of two causes--

1. If old work, some residual water is preventing quick heatup.
Solution--drain better or if can't, the old bread trick to act as a
sponge is always possible.

2. Missed getting one side or the other of the joint really clean and
fluxed. Solution--clean and flux.. ( Doh :) )

> Is there a better sealer to use? One that will take the heat better?

Don't know what threaded connection you're talking of...if it's a
sweated union, as an earlier poster recommended, the threads have no
function in sealing the joint.

> Is there some type of sealer I can just paint onto the threads that
> will seep in and seal it?

Not really.

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