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supply side water shutoff question Dennis J. 06-28-2008
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Posted by Dennis J. on June 28, 2008, 9:35 am
This winter the furnace quit in a old house, nobody was living there at
the time. Anyway the pipes froze and the main water shutoff valve was
turned off so that when the heat came back on there would not be a
flood. Problem is the supply side shutoff valve did not shut off and
there was a lot of water damage.

My question is can these valves be repaired or must they be replaced.
Second question, are the fittings standard, this is an old house so the
valve has been there for more than 40 years. I assume it has a coupling
joint of some type.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
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Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on June 28, 2008, 10:10 am

> This winter the furnace quit in a old house, nobody was living there at
> the time. Anyway the pipes froze and the main water shutoff valve was
> turned off so that when the heat came back on there would not be a
> flood. Problem is the supply side shutoff valve did not shut off and
> there was a lot of water damage.
>
> My question is can these valves be repaired or must they be replaced.
> Second question, are the fittings standard, this is an old house so the
> valve has been there for more than 40 years. I assume it has a coupling
> joint of some type.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance
> --
> real email is moci42@gmail.com

If the valve froze too it should be replaced as the body may have cracks in
it. It may be possible to repair, but since I don't know what the problem
with it is, what brand you have I can't say for sure. In either case, the
supply has to be shut off at the street so spend a few bucks and put in a
brand new ball valve and be safe.

I don't know what fittings you talk about as being "standard" but all tubing
is and the fitting that go on them are the same size and have been for
decades. Sounds like you need some pro help.



Posted by Dennis J. on June 28, 2008, 10:54 am

> > This winter the furnace quit in a old house, nobody was living there at
> > the time. Anyway the pipes froze and the main water shutoff valve was
> > turned off so that when the heat came back on there would not be a
> > flood. Problem is the supply side shutoff valve did not shut off and
> > there was a lot of water damage.
> >
> > My question is can these valves be repaired or must they be replaced.
> > Second question, are the fittings standard, this is an old house so the
> > valve has been there for more than 40 years. I assume it has a coupling
> > joint of some type.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated.
> > Thanks in advance
> > --
> > real email is moci42@gmail.com
>
> If the valve froze too it should be replaced as the body may have cracks in
> it. It may be possible to repair, but since I don't know what the problem
> with it is, what brand you have I can't say for sure. In either case, the
> supply has to be shut off at the street so spend a few bucks and put in a
> brand new ball valve and be safe.
>
> I don't know what fittings you talk about as being "standard" but all tubing
> is and the fitting that go on them are the same size and have been for
> decades. Sounds like you need some pro help.

Thanks Edwin,

The part that you said the fittings have been the same for decades tells
me that I should be able to buy a valve at HD, a "ball valve" and when I
go down there next week, (160 mile drive) I might have a chance of
replacing it. Yes the water at the street has been turned off since
Feb. The supply valve was not frozen, and when I turned the wheel it
rotated just as though it were shutting off, but somehow the valve did
not close off the water line and when the pipes thawed out the water
flowed. I was not there at the time. It is my moms place and she's in
a NH that's why there is nobody there. In any case thanks for your
response, it is helpful to know those fittings are the same and should
be for this house too. If I can't do this then I will have to seek out
a pro.

Dennis
--
real email is moci42@gmail.com

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 28, 2008, 12:40 pm
>
>
>
>
>
> > > This winter the furnace quit in a old house, nobody was living there =
at
> > > the time. =EF=BF=BDAnyway the pipes froze and the main water shutoff =
valve was
> > > turned off so that when the heat came back on there would not be a
> > > flood. =EF=BF=BDProblem is the supply side shutoff valve did not shut=
off and
> > > there was a lot of water damage.
>
> > > My question is can these valves be repaired or must they be replaced.
> > > Second question, are the fittings standard, this is an old house so t=
he
> > > valve has been there for more than 40 years. =EF=BF=BDI assume it has=
a coupling
> > > joint of some type.
>
> > > Any advice would be appreciated.
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > --
> > > real email is moc...@gmail.com
>
> > If the valve froze too it should be replaced as the body may have crack=
s in
> > it. =EF=BF=BDIt may be possible to repair, but since I don't know what =
the problem
> > with it is, what brand you have =EF=BF=BDI can't say for sure. =EF=BF=
=BDIn either case, the
> > supply has to be shut off at the street so spend a few bucks and put in=
a
> > brand new ball valve and be safe.
>
> > I don't know what fittings you talk about as being "standard" but all t=
ubing
> > is and the fitting that go on them are the same size and have been for
> > decades. =EF=BF=BD Sounds like you need some pro help.
>
> Thanks Edwin,
>
> The part that you said the fittings have been the same for decades tells
> me that I should be able to buy a valve at HD, a "ball valve" and when I
> go down there next week, (160 mile drive) I might have a chance of
> replacing it. =EF=BF=BDYes the water at the street has been turned off si=
nce
> Feb. =EF=BF=BDThe supply valve was not frozen, and when I turned the whee=
l it
> rotated just as though it were shutting off, but somehow the valve did
> not close off the water line and when the pipes thawed out the water
> flowed. =EF=BF=BDI was not there at the time. =EF=BF=BDIt is my moms plac=
e and she's in
> a NH that's why there is nobody there. =EF=BF=BDIn any case thanks for yo=
ur
> response, it is helpful to know those fittings are the same and should
> be for this house too. =EF=BF=BDIf I can't do this then I will have to se=
ek out
> a pro.
>
> Dennis
> --
> real email is moc...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


for next winter install a thermostat that turns on a lamp, flashing in
window. ask neighbors to call if they see light flash.

allowing a home to freeze repeatedly can do long term damage, and
definetely install ball valve, they are super reliable

vacant homes are at great risk of vandalism, espically arson.

might be a good idea to rent it out free or low cost to a realtive for
security.

if ou tell homeowners home is vacant expect insurance to increase by
5.....

5 times cost.....

if you dont tell insurance and say fire occurs, they will investigate,
and possibly not pay:(

Posted by Dennis J. on June 28, 2008, 1:14 pm
In article

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > This winter the furnace quit in a old house, nobody was living there at
> > > > the time. ?Anyway the pipes froze and the main water shutoff valve was
> > > > turned off so that when the heat came back on there would not be a
> > > > flood. ?Problem is the supply side shutoff valve did not shut off and
> > > > there was a lot of water damage.
> >
> > > > My question is can these valves be repaired or must they be replaced.
> > > > Second question, are the fittings standard, this is an old house so the
> > > > valve has been there for more than 40 years. ?I assume it has a
> > > > coupling
> > > > joint of some type.
> >
> > > > Any advice would be appreciated.
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > --
> > > > real email is moc...@gmail.com
> >
> > > If the valve froze too it should be replaced as the body may have cracks
> > > in
> > > it. ?It may be possible to repair, but since I don't know what the
> > > problem
> > > with it is, what brand you have ?I can't say for sure. ?In either case,
> > > the
> > > supply has to be shut off at the street so spend a few bucks and put in a
> > > brand new ball valve and be safe.
> >
> > > I don't know what fittings you talk about as being "standard" but all
> > > tubing
> > > is and the fitting that go on them are the same size and have been for
> > > decades. ? Sounds like you need some pro help.
> >
> > Thanks Edwin,
> >
> > The part that you said the fittings have been the same for decades tells
> > me that I should be able to buy a valve at HD, a "ball valve" and when I
> > go down there next week, (160 mile drive) I might have a chance of
> > replacing it. ?Yes the water at the street has been turned off since
> > Feb. ?The supply valve was not frozen, and when I turned the wheel it
> > rotated just as though it were shutting off, but somehow the valve did
> > not close off the water line and when the pipes thawed out the water
> > flowed. ?I was not there at the time. ?It is my moms place and she's in
> > a NH that's why there is nobody there. ?In any case thanks for your
> > response, it is helpful to know those fittings are the same and should
> > be for this house too. ?If I can't do this then I will have to seek out
> > a pro.
> >
> > Dennis
> > --
> > real email is moc...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> for next winter install a thermostat that turns on a lamp, flashing in
> window. ask neighbors to call if they see light flash.
>
> allowing a home to freeze repeatedly can do long term damage, and
> definetely install ball valve, they are super reliable
>
> vacant homes are at great risk of vandalism, espically arson.
>
> might be a good idea to rent it out free or low cost to a realtive for
> security.
>
> if ou tell homeowners home is vacant expect insurance to increase by
> 5.....
>
> 5 times cost.....
>
> if you dont tell insurance and say fire occurs, they will investigate,
> and possibly not pay:(

I was not aware of that and will check it out with insurance co. I will
try to replace with a good quality ball valve, if I can get the old one
off. The lamp idea was suggested by a neighbor who by the way is a
retired insurance agent. We hope it won't be vacant for much longer,
but we don't have a lot of control over that for reasons I can't explain
here. It's in a very tiny town, village to be more specific.

Thanks for your good tips, they are appreciated.

Dennis
--
real email is moci42@gmail.com

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