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supporting 12 AWG wire run between block and 2x4 walls. Mike Paulsen 05-17-2006
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Posted by Mike Paulsen on May 17, 2006, 4:00 am
I'm wiring a walkout basement which has ~4' high block wall with 2x6
stud wall on top of that. There is a 2x4 stud wall (4' high) in front of
the block with a 1" space between the block and stud wall. I'd like to
run the wiring in that 1" space between the walls rather than through
the studs. I need some THINGY to support the wires. I didn't find
anything at the local bigbox. Nor here:
http://www.gardnerbender.com/Products/Catalog/Staples/Staples.shtml

The closest thing I see on that page is the MultiCable Staple. Something
like that would work if it were designed to be mounted on the side of
the stud and extend into the 1" space.
http://www.gardnerbender.com/Products/Catalog/Staples/images/MultiCable_Staples.jpg

Any ideas on what you would call such a THINGY and were I might find it?

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Posted by Doug Miller on May 17, 2006, 6:40 am
>I'm wiring a walkout basement which has ~4' high block wall with 2x6
>stud wall on top of that. There is a 2x4 stud wall (4' high) in front of
>the block with a 1" space between the block and stud wall. I'd like to
>run the wiring in that 1" space between the walls rather than through
>the studs. I need some THINGY to support the wires.

Why? Code permits NM (Romex) cable to be unsupported "where the cable is
fished between access points through concealed spaces in finished buildings or
structures and supporting is impractical." [Art. 334.30(B)1]

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Posted by Mike Paulsen on May 17, 2006, 11:56 am
Doug Miller wrote:
(snip)
>>I'd like to
>> run the wiring in that 1" space between the walls rather than through
>> the studs. I need some THINGY to support the wires.
>
> Why? Code permits NM (Romex) cable to be unsupported "where the cable is
> fished between access points through concealed spaces in finished buildings or
> structures and supporting is impractical." [Art. 334.30(B)1]
>

The wall already has insulation and poly, but no drywall. I don't think
the inspector would consider it finished nor supporting to be impractical.

John Grabowski wrote:

> In the time spent looking for an alternative you could have had a bunch of
> holes drilled.

You must be new to usenet <g>

> If you have your heart set on running the wire in the back you can make your
> own cable supports. Get some 1" x 3" or 1" x 4" or strips of plywood. Cut
> pieces long enough to go from the front of the stud to the block wall. Make
> a small notch on top in the part that is between the back of the stud and
> the block wall. Mount these to the studs every 3 to 4 feet. Lay your
> cable on top in the notch.

If there's not a cheap and easy plastic thingy, that's what I'll end up
doing.

Thanks.

Posted by RBM on May 17, 2006, 6:55 am
If the walls are finished, you can snake the wires as Doug suggested, if
they're open though, I don't know of any device made for cable support on
the edge or studs. I've had situations where I could catch a staple at the
back edge of the stud



> I'm wiring a walkout basement which has ~4' high block wall with 2x6 stud
> wall on top of that. There is a 2x4 stud wall (4' high) in front of the
> block with a 1" space between the block and stud wall. I'd like to run the
> wiring in that 1" space between the walls rather than through the studs. I
> need some THINGY to support the wires. I didn't find anything at the local
> bigbox. Nor here:
> http://www.gardnerbender.com/Products/Catalog/Staples/Staples.shtml
>
> The closest thing I see on that page is the MultiCable Staple. Something
> like that would work if it were designed to be mounted on the side of the
> stud and extend into the 1" space.
>
http://www.gardnerbender.com/Products/Catalog/Staples/images/MultiCable_Staples.jpg
>
> Any ideas on what you would call such a THINGY and were I might find it?



Posted by John Grabowski on May 17, 2006, 8:41 am

> I'm wiring a walkout basement which has ~4' high block wall with 2x6
> stud wall on top of that. There is a 2x4 stud wall (4' high) in front of
> the block with a 1" space between the block and stud wall. I'd like to
> run the wiring in that 1" space between the walls rather than through
> the studs. I need some THINGY to support the wires. I didn't find
> anything at the local bigbox. Nor here:
> http://www.gardnerbender.com/Products/Catalog/Staples/Staples.shtml
>
> The closest thing I see on that page is the MultiCable Staple. Something
> like that would work if it were designed to be mounted on the side of
> the stud and extend into the 1" space.
>
http://www.gardnerbender.com/Products/Catalog/Staples/images/MultiCable_Staples.jpg
>
> Any ideas on what you would call such a THINGY and were I might find it?


In the time spent looking for an alternative you could have had a bunch of
holes drilled. You can drill towards the rear of the stud to avoid the risk
of piercing the cable with a nail.

If you have your heart set on running the wire in the back you can make your
own cable supports. Get some 1" x 3" or 1" x 4" or strips of plywood. Cut
pieces long enough to go from the front of the stud to the block wall. Make
a small notch on top in the part that is between the back of the stud and
the block wall. Mount these to the studs every 3 to 4 feet. Lay your
cable on top in the notch.


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