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surging kohler 16hp tractor engine beerguzzler50 09-19-2006
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Posted by on September 19, 2006, 8:24 am
I have a Kohler K341 16 horse cast iron engine on a Allis 716 tractor.
I have replace the points, plug, condensor, fuel filter and put on a
brand new carb.

The tractor surges no matter what I do with the carb adjustments. I
have verified points gap is correct. Seems to be much better when
cutting grass under load--doesn't surge very much then...but it is bad
when sitting or just riding. Pulled head and found valves and cylinder
look normal. Onlyh other thing I can add is that when turning over to
start it sometimes kicks back while starting...other than that it
starts fairly easily...though it has to turn over a bit. I can see
the governer working the carb, and it seems like if I disable the
governer (unhook link) it will stall. This engine has the automatic
compression release system for easier starting as an fyi.

This has me stumped. it doesn't burn oil or smoke either.


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Posted by Jack on September 19, 2006, 9:25 am

beerguzzler50@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a Kohler K341 16 horse cast iron engine on a Allis 716 tractor.
> I have replace the points, plug, condensor, fuel filter and put on a
> brand new carb.
>
> The tractor surges no matter what I do with the carb adjustments. I
> have verified points gap is correct. Seems to be much better when
> cutting grass under load--doesn't surge very much then...but it is bad
> when sitting or just riding. Pulled head and found valves and cylinder
> look normal. Onlyh other thing I can add is that when turning over to
> start it sometimes kicks back while starting...other than that it
> starts fairly easily...though it has to turn over a bit. I can see
> the governer working the carb, and it seems like if I disable the
> governer (unhook link) it will stall. This engine has the automatic
> compression release system for easier starting as an fyi.
>
> This has me stumped. it doesn't burn oil or smoke either.

Check out the timing and then the govenor control. check the spring on
govenor , if weak it can cause a surge.


Posted by on September 19, 2006, 10:16 am
did you reset the governor? you loosen the nut/bolt on the gov arm
(the arm on the shaft coming out of the brass nut on the engine) ,turn
the gov shaft ccw till it stops while at the same time holding the
throttle shaft on the carb wide open.then ,lock the nut/bolt . im
assuming your replacement carb is a walbro,, the high speed screw sets
at 1-1/4 turn out low speed screw 2-1/2 turns out. you can download
manual at kohlerengines.com for free. i find setting the points with
timing light as shown in manual makes engine run cooler, but .020 gap
should run ok. lucas

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm


Posted by on September 19, 2006, 12:14 pm
It is a Kohler carb, not the walbro (I'm positive about that). It has
a idle set screw, a low idle mixture screw and general mixture screw.
I'll look about how do do timing with a timing light...that would be
good. I thought the timing is fixed on these engines...but I'm
assuming the gap does this?


ds549@webtv.net wrote:
> did you reset the governor? you loosen the nut/bolt on the gov arm
> (the arm on the shaft coming out of the brass nut on the engine) ,turn
> the gov shaft ccw till it stops while at the same time holding the
> throttle shaft on the carb wide open.then ,lock the nut/bolt . im
> assuming your replacement carb is a walbro,, the high speed screw sets
> at 1-1/4 turn out low speed screw 2-1/2 turns out. you can download
> manual at kohlerengines.com for free. i find setting the points with
> timing light as shown in manual makes engine run cooler, but .020 gap
> should run ok. lucas
>
> http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm


Posted by Stubby on September 19, 2006, 1:15 pm
beerguzzler50@yahoo.com wrote:
> It is a Kohler carb, not the walbro (I'm positive about that). It has
> a idle set screw, a low idle mixture screw and general mixture screw.
> I'll look about how do do timing with a timing light...that would be
> good. I thought the timing is fixed on these engines...but I'm
> assuming the gap does this?
>
>
> ds549@webtv.net wrote:
>> did you reset the governor? you loosen the nut/bolt on the gov arm
>> (the arm on the shaft coming out of the brass nut on the engine) ,turn
>> the gov shaft ccw till it stops while at the same time holding the
>> throttle shaft on the carb wide open.then ,lock the nut/bolt . im
>> assuming your replacement carb is a walbro,, the high speed screw sets
>> at 1-1/4 turn out low speed screw 2-1/2 turns out. you can download
>> manual at kohlerengines.com for free. i find setting the points with
>> timing light as shown in manual makes engine run cooler, but .020 gap
>> should run ok. lucas
>>
>> http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm
>
I just went through this with my Sear/Tecumseh. I'm fairly sure it was
triggered by the E10 gas that my favorite (read, "cheap") gas station
sell. Someone on this group suggested using Stabilizer (from Home
Depot). I don't know what that is but it improved the situation a bit.
Then I switched to high test gas plus stabilizer and things went back
to normal.

In general, you must resist the urge to fiddle with all the screws.
They didn't turn themselves so there is little reason to think you
should tighten them.

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