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toilet running J 04-18-2008
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Posted by Jeff Wisnia on April 18, 2008, 5:14 pm
J wrote:

> After flushing the toilet, it tends to continue to run. When it is flushed,
> the flapper is pulled up which allows the water to escape from the tank,
> while at the same time the float falls which opens the valve to fill the
> tank with water. All is well to this point.
>
> The problem is the flapper generally doesn't go back down to the bottom in a
> timely fashion to plug the escape hole, and the source water begins to fill
> the tank again.
>
> The source water apparently causes enough turbulence that it resists the
> flapper from falling to the bottom. If I were to manually stop the source
> water by lifting the float, the flapper drops to the bottom. I think it
> would be fixed if there were some way I could adjust the float to not allow
> the source valve to open until the flapper were much closer to closing.
> Yet, I've adjusted the float as far as it will go and that doesn't do it.
> I also think that if it were a slower flow of incoming water, it might work.
>
> Could it be that someone has used the wrong replacement parts? Someone has
> added a 'weight' to the top of the flapper, but that doesn't really help,
> and I have an objection to relying on pure Kentucky windage to fix things.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
>
>
>
I had a similar problem after I replaced the old float arm valve in one
of our home toilets with a Fluidmaster valve.

There was such a strong flow of water coming through the bowl refill
tube that it was flying down the overfill pipe, splashing off the
horizontal surface below and bouncing up against the bottom of the
flapper valve enough to keep it from closing.

I diagnosed the problem for what it was and "proved it" by placing a
small C-clamp on on the refill tube and squeezing it down to reduce the
flow through it. That got the flapper working normally.

I solved the problem "fer real" by sliding a few lengths of 1/16" wire
solder inside the refill tube to create enough restriction to slow down
the flow.

When I was done (and got through patting myself on the back.) I pinged
Fluidmaster with an email describing what I'd encountered and received
an almosr immediate reply which said they knew about that problem and
asking for my postal address so they could send me a free "fix". I did
that and shortly received a little plastic restrictor with barbed
fittings on each side and instructions telling me to to cut the refill
tube and stick it in.

I never got a round tuit and the pieces of wire solder are still inside
the refill tube working just fine.

So, why not try pulling the refill tube out of the overflow tube
temporarily and see if that lets the flapper drop normally.

If it does, you can figure out the rest....

Live and learn,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.


Posted by John on April 20, 2008, 9:44 am
>J wrote:
>
>> After flushing the toilet, it tends to continue to run. When it is
>> flushed, the flapper is pulled up which allows the water to escape from
>> the tank, while at the same time the float falls which opens the valve to
>> fill the tank with water. All is well to this point.
>>
>> The problem is the flapper generally doesn't go back down to the bottom
>> in a timely fashion to plug the escape hole, and the source water begins
>> to fill the tank again.
>>
>> The source water apparently causes enough turbulence that it resists the
>> flapper from falling to the bottom. If I were to manually stop the
>> source water by lifting the float, the flapper drops to the bottom. I
>> think it would be fixed if there were some way I could adjust the float
>> to not allow the source valve to open until the flapper were much closer
>> to closing. Yet, I've adjusted the float as far as it will go and that
>> doesn't do it. I also think that if it were a slower flow of incoming
>> water, it might work.
>>
>> Could it be that someone has used the wrong replacement parts? Someone
>> has added a 'weight' to the top of the flapper, but that doesn't really
>> help, and I have an objection to relying on pure Kentucky windage to fix
>> things.
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I had a similar problem after I replaced the old float arm valve in one of
> our home toilets with a Fluidmaster valve.
>
> There was such a strong flow of water coming through the bowl refill tube
> that it was flying down the overfill pipe, splashing off the horizontal
> surface below and bouncing up against the bottom of the flapper valve
> enough to keep it from closing.
>
> I diagnosed the problem for what it was and "proved it" by placing a small
> C-clamp on on the refill tube and squeezing it down to reduce the flow
> through it. That got the flapper working normally.
>
> I solved the problem "fer real" by sliding a few lengths of 1/16" wire
> solder inside the refill tube to create enough restriction to slow down
> the flow.
>
> When I was done (and got through patting myself on the back.) I pinged
> Fluidmaster with an email describing what I'd encountered and received an
> almosr immediate reply which said they knew about that problem and asking
> for my postal address so they could send me a free "fix". I did that and
> shortly received a little plastic restrictor with barbed fittings on each
> side and instructions telling me to to cut the refill tube and stick it
> in.
>
> I never got a round tuit and the pieces of wire solder are still inside
> the refill tube working just fine.
>
> So, why not try pulling the refill tube out of the overflow tube
> temporarily and see if that lets the flapper drop normally.
>
> If it does, you can figure out the rest....
>
> Live and learn,
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffry Wisnia
> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
> The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
>



This is one of the best newsgroup responses I've seen in a long time.

John


Posted by 01dyna on April 20, 2008, 9:50 am

wrote:


>> So, why not try pulling the refill tube out of the overflow tube
>> temporarily and see if that lets the flapper drop normally.
>>
>> If it does, you can figure out the rest....
>>
>> Live and learn,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> --
>> Jeffry Wisnia
>> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
>> The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
>>
>
>
>
>This is one of the best newsgroup responses I've seen in a long time.
>
>John


..why not just reduce the water flow by turning down the faucet handle
under the toilet?


Posted by Mark Lloyd on April 20, 2008, 3:56 pm

>
>wrote:
>
>
>>> So, why not try pulling the refill tube out of the overflow tube
>>> temporarily and see if that lets the flapper drop normally.
>>>
>>> If it does, you can figure out the rest....
>>>
>>> Live and learn,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeffry Wisnia
>>> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
>>> The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This is one of the best newsgroup responses I've seen in a long time.
>>
>>John
>
>
>..why not just reduce the water flow by turning down the faucet handle
>under the toilet?

I don't know about that one, but I've has valves that make a loud
noise when only partly open.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Never underestimate the power of stupid
people in large groups"

Posted by J on April 21, 2008, 9:58 am
It works. But the manufacturer of the stop values say not to use them to
restrict flow, as they wear out much faster.

>
> wrote:
>
>
>>> So, why not try pulling the refill tube out of the overflow tube
>>> temporarily and see if that lets the flapper drop normally.
>>>
>>> If it does, you can figure out the rest....
>>>
>>> Live and learn,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeffry Wisnia
>>> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
>>> The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>This is one of the best newsgroup responses I've seen in a long time.
>>
>>John
>
>
> ..why not just reduce the water flow by turning down the faucet handle
> under the toilet?
>



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