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two problems... Nate Nagel 12-30-2007
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Posted by Nate Nagel on December 30, 2007, 9:37 am
first problem...

got home from xmas road trip last night. furnace was not working and
house was a chilly 48 degrees inside (thermostat was set to 57 while I
was away.) Fortunately I'd drained all the plumbing just in case it got
really cold and something bad happened, and also it never got seriously
below freezing while I was away. I ASSumed that the ignitor had gone
Tango Uniform again but I simply power cycled the furnace and it fired
right up and has run through several cycles. I can only assume that it
failed to ignite at some point while I was away and the thermocouple
shut it down. I've had the water heater go out a couple times, but only
a couple, over the past year. Never often enough to consider it a
problem and call in a repairman. I'm starting to wonder if there's an
issue with the gas service (water?) but I had the water heater shut off
while I was away so I couldn't see if the pilot on the heater had blown
out as well. Any ideas? I can deal with relighting the water heater
every couple months but not so much with the furnace shutting off while
I'm away.

Second problem is I'd like to strap up some pipes but have been
completely unable to find copper roofing-type nails, which is what I
assume I want. Only source of copper nails at all that I've been able
to find is McMaster-Carr, but they only sell common nails and small
tacks. Is that all that is currently available? I actually stopped at
the hardware store that has the best selection of various fasteners that
I've ever seen while I was on vacation and couldn't find any copper
nails there.

nate

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Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on December 30, 2007, 9:51 am

> first problem...
>
> I'm starting to wonder if there's an issue with the gas service (water?)
> but I had the water heater shut off while I was away so I couldn't see if
> the pilot on the heater had blown out as well. Any ideas? I can deal
> with relighting the water heater every couple months but not so much with
> the furnace shutting off while I'm away.

Could have been, expecially if there was high demand for a time. You'll
probably never know.


>
> Second problem is I'd like to strap up some pipes but have been completely
> unable to find copper roofing-type nails, which is what I assume I want.
> Only source of copper nails at all that I've been able to find is
> McMaster-Carr, but they only sell common nails and small tacks. Is that
> all that is currently available? I actually stopped at the hardware store
> that has the best selection of various fasteners that I've ever seen while
> I was on vacation and couldn't find any copper nails there.

Brass screws



Posted by John Grabowski on December 30, 2007, 10:10 am

> first problem...
>
> got home from xmas road trip last night. furnace was not working and
> house was a chilly 48 degrees inside (thermostat was set to 57 while I
> was away.) Fortunately I'd drained all the plumbing just in case it got
> really cold and something bad happened, and also it never got seriously
> below freezing while I was away. I ASSumed that the ignitor had gone
> Tango Uniform again but I simply power cycled the furnace and it fired
> right up and has run through several cycles. I can only assume that it
> failed to ignite at some point while I was away and the thermocouple
> shut it down. I've had the water heater go out a couple times, but only
> a couple, over the past year. Never often enough to consider it a
> problem and call in a repairman. I'm starting to wonder if there's an
> issue with the gas service (water?) but I had the water heater shut off
> while I was away so I couldn't see if the pilot on the heater had blown
> out as well. Any ideas? I can deal with relighting the water heater
> every couple months but not so much with the furnace shutting off while
> I'm away.
>
> Second problem is I'd like to strap up some pipes but have been
> completely unable to find copper roofing-type nails, which is what I
> assume I want. Only source of copper nails at all that I've been able
> to find is McMaster-Carr, but they only sell common nails and small
> tacks. Is that all that is currently available? I actually stopped at
> the hardware store that has the best selection of various fasteners that
> I've ever seen while I was on vacation and couldn't find any copper
> nails there.


I threw out (Actually recycled) a bunch of copper nails I got from my
grandfather many years ago. I used brass wood screws for strapping some
water pipes.


Posted by KLS on December 30, 2007, 11:03 am
wrote:

>got home from xmas road trip last night. furnace was not working and
>house was a chilly 48 degrees inside (thermostat was set to 57 while I
>was away.) Fortunately I'd drained all the plumbing just in case it got
>really cold and something bad happened, and also it never got seriously
>below freezing while I was away. I ASSumed that the ignitor had gone
>Tango Uniform again but I simply power cycled the furnace and it fired
>right up and has run through several cycles. I can only assume that it
>failed to ignite at some point while I was away and the thermocouple
>shut it down. I've had the water heater go out a couple times, but only
>a couple, over the past year. Never often enough to consider it a
>problem and call in a repairman. I'm starting to wonder if there's an
>issue with the gas service (water?) but I had the water heater shut off
>while I was away so I couldn't see if the pilot on the heater had blown
>out as well. Any ideas? I can deal with relighting the water heater
>every couple months but not so much with the furnace shutting off while
>I'm away.

You mention that the water heater pilot light has also gone out a
couple times. Have you checked to see whether you might have one of
those serendipitous drafts that happen only on certain windy days? I
had a house with this kind of strange episodic event, and finally I
figured out it was from a drafty window, and once I blocked that off,
all was well.

Posted by Nate Nagel on December 30, 2007, 11:04 am
KLS wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>got home from xmas road trip last night. furnace was not working and
>>house was a chilly 48 degrees inside (thermostat was set to 57 while I
>>was away.) Fortunately I'd drained all the plumbing just in case it got
>>really cold and something bad happened, and also it never got seriously
>>below freezing while I was away. I ASSumed that the ignitor had gone
>>Tango Uniform again but I simply power cycled the furnace and it fired
>>right up and has run through several cycles. I can only assume that it
>>failed to ignite at some point while I was away and the thermocouple
>>shut it down. I've had the water heater go out a couple times, but only
>>a couple, over the past year. Never often enough to consider it a
>>problem and call in a repairman. I'm starting to wonder if there's an
>>issue with the gas service (water?) but I had the water heater shut off
>>while I was away so I couldn't see if the pilot on the heater had blown
>>out as well. Any ideas? I can deal with relighting the water heater
>>every couple months but not so much with the furnace shutting off while
>>I'm away.
>
>
> You mention that the water heater pilot light has also gone out a
> couple times. Have you checked to see whether you might have one of
> those serendipitous drafts that happen only on certain windy days? I
> had a house with this kind of strange episodic event, and finally I
> figured out it was from a drafty window, and once I blocked that off,
> all was well.

I suppose that is possible; I have been trying to track down and spray
foam all possible sources of draft, although I'm certain that I haven't
found all of them yet.

nate

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