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Posted by David Nebenzahl on December 7, 2006, 1:05 am


Father Haskell spake thus:

> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>>Father Haskell spake thus:
>>
>>>g wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm doing some intro woodworking projects and need a good chemical
>>>>stripper that easy to clean up, will not interfere with sanding, and low
>>>>toxity level.
>>>
>>>They're all toxic.
>>
>>Not the citrus-derived ones.
>
> Which gave me a splitting headache and made me feel
> slightly drunk. Great at stripping lacquer from some old
> Thomasville chairs I refinished, but far from benign.

Really? Not doubting you, just surprised: I've always found this stuff
quite pleasant to work with, and wasn't aware that it made any vapors at
all. The brand I use is Citristrip by Speciality Environmental
Technologies. Maybe other types aren't so good. Or maybe I'm just
insensitive to something that bothers you.


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Posted by Goedjn on December 7, 2006, 3:01 pm


On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:05:57 -0800, David Nebenzahl

>Father Haskell spake thus:
>
>> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>>
>>>Father Haskell spake thus:
>>>
>>>>g wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm doing some intro woodworking projects and need a good chemical
>>>>>stripper that easy to clean up, will not interfere with sanding, and low
>>>>>toxity level.
>>>>
>>>>They're all toxic.
>>>
>>>Not the citrus-derived ones.
>>
>> Which gave me a splitting headache and made me feel
>> slightly drunk. Great at stripping lacquer from some old
>> Thomasville chairs I refinished, but far from benign.
>
>Really? Not doubting you, just surprised: I've always found this stuff
>quite pleasant to work with, and wasn't aware that it made any vapors at
>all. The brand I use is Citristrip by Speciality Environmental
>Technologies. Maybe other types aren't so good. Or maybe I'm just
>insensitive to something that bothers you.


If you can smell it, it's making vapors. It's quite possible
that what vapors it makes varies according to what you're stripping.
My theory is that anything that's capable of dissolving paint is
probably bad for you.

Citristrip, according to the MSDS I found at
http://www.floodaustralia.net/msds/MSDSCitristrip.pdf

is 69.9 % N-Methyl-2-Pyrrolidone         872-50-4
10.4 % D-Limonene                 5989-27-5

And some thinkening agents.

It also says:
==================
Inhalation: May cause headache; irritation of the respiratory system
and mucous membranes, nausea, drowsiness, mental confusion, dizziness
and giddiness. Can cause pulmonary oedema, signs and symptoms can be
delayed several hours.

Skin: This product is a skin irritant. May cause irritation, redness,
inflammation, cracking, blisters, defatting, and severe burns. Vapours
may cause irritation.

Eye: This material is an eye irritant. May cause irritation, burns
(including severe burns and irreversible damage), conjunctivitis,
watering, stinging of eyes and lids, selling of eye, redness,
discomfort, and permanent scarring of the cornea. Vapours may cause
discomfort.

Swallowing: Harmful if swallowed. May cause nausea, vomiting,
abdominal pains, diarrhoea, irritation, damage or burns o mouth,
throat and stomach, severe pain, salivation, ulcerations of
membranes,, circulatory collapse and death.

Chronic Health Effects
May cause skin irritation, albuminuria and hematuria.
========================

Those last two are signs of kidney damage.

The primary chemical N-Methyl-2-Pyrrolidone
is listed at
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=872-50-4

as a developmental toxicant (screws up fetuses)
a blood toxicant (poisons your blood)
a kidney toxicant (destroys your kidneys)
a neurotoxicant (messes up your brain)
and a reproductive toxicant (makes you sterile)

The stuff may well be safer, and probably *IS* less offensive
than other strippers, but that doesn't make it anything
close to safe.



Posted by Father Haskell on December 7, 2006, 4:50 pm



Goedjn wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:05:57 -0800, David Nebenzahl
>
> >Father Haskell spake thus:
> >
> >> David Nebenzahl wrote:
> >>
> >>>Father Haskell spake thus:
> >>>
> >>>>g wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>I'm doing some intro woodworking projects and need a good chemical
> >>>>>stripper that easy to clean up, will not interfere with sanding, and low
> >>>>>toxity level.
> >>>>
> >>>>They're all toxic.
> >>>
> >>>Not the citrus-derived ones.
> >>
> >> Which gave me a splitting headache and made me feel
> >> slightly drunk. Great at stripping lacquer from some old
> >> Thomasville chairs I refinished, but far from benign.
> >
> >Really? Not doubting you, just surprised: I've always found this stuff
> >quite pleasant to work with, and wasn't aware that it made any vapors at
> >all. The brand I use is Citristrip by Speciality Environmental
> >Technologies. Maybe other types aren't so good. Or maybe I'm just
> >insensitive to something that bothers you.
>
>
> If you can smell it, it's making vapors. It's quite possible
> that what vapors it makes varies according to what you're stripping.
> My theory is that anything that's capable of dissolving paint is
> probably bad for you.
>
> Citristrip, according to the MSDS I found at
> http://www.floodaustralia.net/msds/MSDSCitristrip.pdf
>
> is 69.9 % N-Methyl-2-Pyrrolidone         872-50-4
> 10.4 % D-Limonene                 5989-27-5
>
> And some thinkening agents.
>
> It also says:
> ==================
> Inhalation: May cause headache; irritation of the respiratory system
> and mucous membranes, nausea, drowsiness, mental confusion, dizziness
> and giddiness. Can cause pulmonary oedema, signs and symptoms can be
> delayed several hours.
>
> Skin: This product is a skin irritant. May cause irritation, redness,
> inflammation, cracking, blisters, defatting, and severe burns. Vapours
> may cause irritation.
>
> Eye: This material is an eye irritant. May cause irritation, burns
> (including severe burns and irreversible damage), conjunctivitis,
> watering, stinging of eyes and lids, selling of eye, redness,
> discomfort, and permanent scarring of the cornea. Vapours may cause
> discomfort.
>
> Swallowing: Harmful if swallowed. May cause nausea, vomiting,
> abdominal pains, diarrhoea, irritation, damage or burns o mouth,
> throat and stomach, severe pain, salivation, ulcerations of
> membranes,, circulatory collapse and death.
>
> Chronic Health Effects
> May cause skin irritation, albuminuria and hematuria.
> ========================
>
> Those last two are signs of kidney damage.
>
> The primary chemical N-Methyl-2-Pyrrolidone
> is listed at
>
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles/summary.tcl?edf_substance_id=872-50-4
>
> as a developmental toxicant (screws up fetuses)
> a blood toxicant (poisons your blood)
> a kidney toxicant (destroys your kidneys)
> a neurotoxicant (messes up your brain)
> and a reproductive toxicant (makes you sterile)
>
> The stuff may well be safer, and probably *IS* less offensive
> than other strippers, but that doesn't make it anything
> close to safe.

Bob Flexner says none are safe.

Stay with Zip Strip or similar. Work outdoors to absolutely
minimize exposure. Don't stir the remover film with a
putty knife to "speed the process." That breaks the
paraffin skin, letting the methylene chloride portion
evaporate, exposing you, and slowing down the job.
These strippers are cheap, widely available, effective
on the widest range of finishes, and predictable. Less
effective consumer grade strippers (meaning all of the
others) are a huge waste of money when you buy bottle
after bottle because the last one did little or nothing.


Posted by Father Haskell on December 7, 2006, 4:36 pm



David Nebenzahl wrote:
> Father Haskell spake thus:
>
> > David Nebenzahl wrote:
> >
> >>Father Haskell spake thus:
> >>
> >>>g wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I'm doing some intro woodworking projects and need a good chemical
> >>>>stripper that easy to clean up, will not interfere with sanding, and low
> >>>>toxity level.
> >>>
> >>>They're all toxic.
> >>
> >>Not the citrus-derived ones.
> >
> > Which gave me a splitting headache and made me feel
> > slightly drunk. Great at stripping lacquer from some old
> > Thomasville chairs I refinished, but far from benign.
>
> Really? Not doubting you, just surprised: I've always found this stuff
> quite pleasant to work with, and wasn't aware that it made any vapors at
> all. The brand I use is Citristrip by Speciality Environmental
> Technologies.

Citristrip.

> Maybe other types aren't so good. Or maybe I'm just
> insensitive to something that bothers you.

Probably, or I had a stronger exposure.


Posted by PV on December 6, 2006, 11:34 pm



> I'm doing some intro woodworking projects and need a good chemical
> stripper that easy to clean up, will not interfere with sanding, and low
> toxity level.
>
>
> thanks

Check out these folks,

http://www.franmar.com/oscommerce/index.php?cPath=21

We use these products for screen printing and they are great, no fumes no
smell, use it barehanded.

PV



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