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water heater: removing anode rod George 02-13-2007
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Posted by Don Young on February 13, 2007, 10:11 pm



> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:20:15 -0500, "Zephyr" <Someguy@an email
> address.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> (7-yr old 40-gal gas heater)
>>>
>>> Our hot water got suddenly very 'rusty' two days ago. Cold water is
>>> clear. I flushed the tank several times, and it still comes out dirty.
>>> The company says to replace the anode rod. The question is, how?
>>>
>>> It's threaded into the top of the tank. I've soaked around the head
>>> with PB Blaster, but I doubt that's getting to the threads. Right now,
>>> I'm using a 1/2" breaker bar with an extension pipe, and getting
>>> nothing. I'm reluctant to use heat (acetylene), because, while the
>>> insulation doesn't sustain combustion, it does sort of burn a little.
>>>
>>> Any experience/suggestions would be appreciated. In particular, would
>>> it be OK to use heat?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> George
>>
>>Can't really comment on the heat / no heat option sorry, but, here are my
>>2
>>cents on the whole scenario
>>
>>I don't know how much torque you are putting on the heater, but I found
>>that
>>having someone there to help hold the heater in place when trying to break
>>the threads free was a wise idea. You could rip the heater right off its
>>moorings if you tried hard enough.
>
> I threaded a piece of 3/4" black pipe into the T&P outlet, and use that
> to brace against.
>
>>all that a side, I don't see how replacing the anode is going to fix your
>>rust problem. The anode is there to prevent rust, the rod itself ( with
>>the exception of a wire down the inside of the anode material) doesn't
>>really rust but more just disintegrates. If you have rust in the heater,
>>a
>>new anode may slow down the development of more rust, but, you still have
>>rust there. And if you have rust in the tank, that means that some part
>>of
>>the tank is no longer as strong as it once was.
>
> There's a lot I don't know about this. It's odd that the rust (if
> that's what it is) showed up so abruptly. The mfr's warranty support
> insists that the rod will fix it. The rod is only $20; so, other than
> the difficulty of getting it out, I'm willing to try.
>
> I'm now considering taking the top of the shell off. That would let me
> pull the insulation out of the way, and then I could go with the torch.
>
> G
Rust or other sediment generally shows up in the water because something in
the water supply has been disturbed. Sometimes just a loss of pressure will
cause it when the water comes back on. If the water company flushes the fire
hydrants, you can get rust for a while afterward. It nearly always clears by
itself after a day or so.

It may take a 6 point socket and a lot of torque to loosen the anode. There
is some possibility that something else will give way before it loosens so
it may not be worthwhile on a heater that old. I would just flush the heater
good and wait for it to clear up.

Don Young



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Posted by Robert Barr on February 13, 2007, 2:25 pm


George wrote:
Right now,
> I'm using a 1/2" breaker bar with an extension pipe, and getting
> nothing. I'm reluctant to use heat (acetylene), because, while the
> insulation doesn't sustain combustion, it does sort of burn a little.
>
> Any experience/suggestions would be appreciated. In particular, would
> it be OK to use heat

I've used a portable air tank and an automotive style impact driver.

Posted by on February 13, 2007, 8:52 pm


> I've used a portable air tank and an automotive style impact driver.

If you don't have an air compressor big enough (or don't want to spend
the bucks for a nice air tool), you can get an electric impact driver
from Harbor Freight Tools for about $100 (they have a weaker one
that's even less). Anyway, the thing is massive and must weigh 20
pounds but mine has yet to meet a bolt it couldn't shake loose (even
transmission mounting bolts with plenty of permanent red threadlocker).


Posted by Pop` on February 13, 2007, 3:56 pm


George wrote:
> (7-yr old 40-gal gas heater)
>
> Our hot water got suddenly very 'rusty' two days ago. Cold water is
> clear. I flushed the tank several times, and it still comes out
> dirty. The company says to replace the anode rod. The question is,
> how?
>
> It's threaded into the top of the tank. I've soaked around the head
> with PB Blaster, but I doubt that's getting to the threads. Right
> now, I'm using a 1/2" breaker bar with an extension pipe, and getting
> nothing. I'm reluctant to use heat (acetylene), because, while the
> insulation doesn't sustain combustion, it does sort of burn a little.
>
> Any experience/suggestions would be appreciated. In particular, would
> it be OK to use heat?
>
> Thanks,
> George

Keep pouring the Liquid Wrench to it, and tapping it gently all around the
connection. Do so periodically for a full day if you can. Let it set
overnight, tap it some more, and try to loosen it. The tapping helps the
oil penetrate into the rust. Careful of high heat (torch) when you've got
oil all over it.

Keep an eye on it whenever using an extender; you could twist the whole
thing loose. If you see the whole union move, stop!

If you can get wrenches onto it, one to loosen, the other to hold the base
still, then you could put a puller or clamp on it to squeeze them together
to loosen it. Watch out it doesn't break, though.



Posted by hallerb@aol.com on February 13, 2007, 5:23 pm


> George wrote:
> > (7-yr old 40-gal gas heater)
>
> > Our hot water got suddenly very 'rusty' two days ago. =A0Cold water is
> > clear. =A0I flushed the tank several times, and it still comes out
> > dirty. The company says to replace the anode rod. =A0The question is,
> > how?
>
> > It's threaded into the top of the tank. =A0I've soaked around the head
> > with PB Blaster, but I doubt that's getting to the threads. =A0Right
> > now, I'm using a 1/2" breaker bar with an extension pipe, and getting
> > nothing. =A0I'm reluctant to use heat (acetylene), because, while =A0the
> > insulation doesn't sustain combustion, it does sort of burn a little.
>
> > Any experience/suggestions would be appreciated. =A0In particular, would
> > it be OK to use heat?
>
> > Thanks,
> > George
>
> Keep pouring the Liquid Wrench to it, and tapping it gently all around the
> connection. =A0Do so periodically for a full day if you can. =A0Let it set
> overnight, tap it some more, and try to loosen it. =A0The tapping helps t=
he
> oil penetrate into the rust. =A0Careful of high heat (torch) when you've =
got
> oil all over it.
>
> Keep an eye on it whenever using an extender; you could twist the whole
> thing loose. =A0If you see the whole union move, stop!
>
> If you can get wrenches onto it, one to loosen, the other to hold the base
> still, then you could put a puller or clamp on it to squeeze them together
> to loosen it. =A0Watch out it doesn't break, though.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

For the cost of a new tank I would just replace it! At minimum BE
PREPARED to replace!

Take a new tank installed for 500 bucks averages 10 year life, whats
50 bucks a year? one nice candy bar a week....

Less if you DIY.

Your better off with a larger tank with higher BTUs so you dont run
out of hot water!

50 gallon 75,000 BTU way better than a 40 gallon 34,000 BTU tank.

as others pointed out, replacing the anode will NOT get rid of the
rust, its just wasting your time:(

Besides check that if you get the old anode lose it will clear the
cieling of the space its in........

anodfe rod likey 5 feet long and just 3 foot between top of tank and
cieling:(



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