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whacked by asploding transformer, part deux Nate Nagel 05-17-2008
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Posted by Ralph Mowery on May 17, 2008, 7:30 pm

> Hi all,
>
> finally tore down my dishwasher today after getting sick of doing dishes
> by hand and striking out on Craigslist. For those of you that missed the
> first installment, a transformer exploded a couple streets over late
> Sunday night or early Monday morning and blowed up some stuff in my house
> (a surge strip, an electrostatic air filter, and my dishwasher.) I've
> already ordered (online) a new power supply for the air filter, and
> replaced the surge strip and the TVSS breaker that was in my main panel
> (the "protected" light was out on one leg.)
>
> Turns out that the failure of the dishwasher looks exactly like the
> failure of the air filter; on the power supply board there is a
> orangeish-yellow dsc-shaped component soldered onto the board about 1/2"
> in diameter, and it appears to have failed with extreme prejudice. Am I
> correct in assuming that this is a MOV? Could I just do a component level
> repair of this rather than replace the whole board? I really hate this
> dishwasher and don't want to spend a lot of money on it. If this is a
> MOV, is value important, or simply "bigger is better?" I'm sorry for the
> dumb questions, but I'm not particularly electronically knowledgeable
> (made it through two EE classes in college and I think I've forgotten most
> of what I learned) just trying to get this back up and running. If
> Trible's had still been open by the time I got it apart, I probably
> wouldn't be asking the question, but if there's a chance I could fix it
> today...
>

If it is the MOV, you can just cut it out of the circuit and try the washer.
The mov is basically an open circuit and shorts out when a voltage higher
than what it is rated for hits it, then opens back up when the voltage
returns to normal. This is to protect the circuit board from voltage
surges. If they get hit with too big of a surge they may blow off the
board.

If the washer works, feel free to use it, but replace the mov as soon as
possiable incase you get another surge.
You may want to unplug it or cut off the circuit breaker when it is not in
use, especially if a storm is near.

The bigger is beter is still in effect. Keep the voltage rating the same,
but you can go up in the power rating.




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Posted by Jim Yanik on May 17, 2008, 6:52 pm

>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> finally tore down my dishwasher today after getting sick of doing
>> dishes by hand and striking out on Craigslist. For those of you that
>> missed the first installment, a transformer exploded a couple streets
>> over late Sunday night or early Monday morning and blowed up some
>> stuff in my house (a surge strip, an electrostatic air filter, and my
>> dishwasher.) I've already ordered (online) a new power supply for the
>> air filter, and replaced the surge strip and the TVSS breaker that
>> was in my main panel (the "protected" light was out on one leg.)
>>
>> Turns out that the failure of the dishwasher looks exactly like the
>> failure of the air filter; on the power supply board there is a
>> orangeish-yellow dsc-shaped component soldered onto the board about
>> 1/2" in diameter, and it appears to have failed with extreme
>> prejudice. Am I correct in assuming that this is a MOV? Could I
>> just do a component level repair of this rather than replace the
>> whole board? I really hate this dishwasher and don't want to spend a
>> lot of money on it. If this is a MOV, is value important, or simply
>> "bigger is better?" I'm sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm not
>> particularly electronically knowledgeable (made it through two EE
>> classes in college and I think I've forgotten most of what I learned)
>> just trying to get this back up and running. If Trible's had still
>> been open by the time I got it apart, I probably wouldn't be asking
>> the question, but if there's a chance I could fix it today...
>>
>
> If it is the MOV, you can just cut it out of the circuit and try the
> washer.

Usually,there is a fuse inbetween the MOV and line source,so the fuse opens
whne the MOV shunts the surge/spike to ground. I've seen MOVs split
open,and PCB traces vaporize,and the power supply still work when the fuse
was replaced and trace repaired.
Sometimes the switcher transistor/FET gets blown,too.


> The mov is basically an open circuit and shorts out when a
> voltage higher than what it is rated for hits it, then opens back up
> when the voltage returns to normal. This is to protect the circuit
> board from voltage surges. If they get hit with too big of a surge
> they may blow off the board.
>
> If the washer works, feel free to use it, but replace the mov as soon
> as possiable incase you get another surge.
> You may want to unplug it or cut off the circuit breaker when it is
> not in use, especially if a storm is near.
>
> The bigger is beter is still in effect. Keep the voltage rating the
> same, but you can go up in the power rating.
>
>
>
>

MOVs usually are marked 130Vxx or 250Vxx,yours probably is a 130V MOV,and
they come in varying current sizes.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Posted by HeyBub on May 17, 2008, 8:41 pm
Nate Nagel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> finally tore down my dishwasher today after getting sick of doing
> dishes by hand and striking out on Craigslist. For those of you that
> missed the first installment, a transformer exploded a couple streets
> over late Sunday night or early Monday morning and blowed up some
> stuff in my house (a surge strip, an electrostatic air filter, and my
> dishwasher.) I've already ordered (online) a new power supply for the
> air filter, and replaced the surge strip and the TVSS breaker that
> was in my main panel (the "protected" light was out on one leg.)
>
> Turns out that the failure of the dishwasher looks exactly like the
> failure of the air filter; on the power supply board there is a
> orangeish-yellow dsc-shaped component soldered onto the board about
> 1/2" in diameter, and it appears to have failed with extreme
> prejudice. Am I correct in assuming that this is a MOV? Could I
> just do a component level repair of this rather than replace the
> whole board? I really hate this dishwasher and don't want to spend a
> lot of money on it. If this is a MOV, is value important, or simply
> "bigger is better?" I'm sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm not
> particularly electronically knowledgeable (made it through two EE
> classes in college and I think I've forgotten most of what I learned)
> just trying to get this back up and running. If Trible's had still
> been open by the time I got it apart, I probably wouldn't be asking
> the question, but if there's a chance I could fix it today...
>

It could be a ceramic disk capacitor.

Does it SAY anything on the component ("MOV" would be a clue, so would ".01
mfd")



Posted by Nate Nagel on May 17, 2008, 9:31 pm
HeyBub wrote:
> Nate Nagel wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>finally tore down my dishwasher today after getting sick of doing
>>dishes by hand and striking out on Craigslist. For those of you that
>>missed the first installment, a transformer exploded a couple streets
>>over late Sunday night or early Monday morning and blowed up some
>>stuff in my house (a surge strip, an electrostatic air filter, and my
>>dishwasher.) I've already ordered (online) a new power supply for the
>>air filter, and replaced the surge strip and the TVSS breaker that
>>was in my main panel (the "protected" light was out on one leg.)
>>
>>Turns out that the failure of the dishwasher looks exactly like the
>>failure of the air filter; on the power supply board there is a
>>orangeish-yellow dsc-shaped component soldered onto the board about
>>1/2" in diameter, and it appears to have failed with extreme
>>prejudice. Am I correct in assuming that this is a MOV? Could I
>>just do a component level repair of this rather than replace the
>>whole board? I really hate this dishwasher and don't want to spend a
>>lot of money on it. If this is a MOV, is value important, or simply
>>"bigger is better?" I'm sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm not
>>particularly electronically knowledgeable (made it through two EE
>>classes in college and I think I've forgotten most of what I learned)
>>just trying to get this back up and running. If Trible's had still
>>been open by the time I got it apart, I probably wouldn't be asking
>>the question, but if there's a chance I could fix it today...
>>
>
>
> It could be a ceramic disk capacitor.
>
> Does it SAY anything on the component ("MOV" would be a clue, so would ".01
> mfd")
>
>

If it does, I can't read it under the blackenedness :)

SWMBO was told by the power company not to throw anything out for claims
purposes so if I'm not sure what it is I'm not cleaning/messing with it...

nate

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