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Posted by DanG on November 3, 2007, 11:10 am
None of the above. It is not a code issue. A frame would have to
be so far out of square, plumb, or true that is could fall down
before it was remotely a code issue. There is no requirement to
be square.
Building inspectors just DO NOT deal with cosmetic or functional
issues. There is no code requiring that your dishwasher
works.There is no code that says your door must latch. There is a
code that your bedroom window must open as a fire escape. There
is a code sizing and numbering means of egress. Code deals with
life safety. Codes are usually the result of insurance industry
losses that have to do with law suit items where there has been
loss of life.
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Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
dgriff237@7cox.net
>> I am always amazed at the number of people who want to holler
>> about inspectors fixing everything.
>>
>> Inspectors work with code.
>> Code identifies construction minimums.
>>
>> Code is most highly related to life safety issues. Boards must
>> be
>> a certain minimum size, nails must be a certain size and
>> number.
>> Foundation concrete needs to meet size and strength minimums.
>> Handrails, stairs,and ramps need to meet size requirements.
>> Exits
>> must meet size and number requirements. Things must meet
>> certain
>> fire ratings. There is usually a footing inspection, framing
>> inspection, and final leading to occupancy.
>>
>> Plumbing, HVAC, and electrical inspections do the same thing at
>> an
>> even more stringent safety level.
>>
>> There is no inspector/inspection alive that could care less
>> about
>> a crack in any of your slab concrete. They don't care if your
>> brick work cracks. They don't even care if your foundation
>> cracks. They don't care what brand water heater or furnace you
>> use. They only care that things won't burn down, fall down,
>> catch
>> on fire, hurt someone else, electrocute someone, contaminate
>> anyone else or harm city infrastructure.
>>
>> There is no code requirement for slab reinforcement, jointing,
>> expansion/contraction control, subsoil compaction, proper fill,
>> type of finish, or anything else about flat work concrete.
>> These
>> are all issues that are cosmetic only. Code just doesn't care
>> if
>> the window or door is crooked, won't latch, siding is crooked,
>> didn't get painted, has the worst texture job in the world.
>>
>> This guy's cracked patio is due to lack of proper control
>> joints.
>> There is no need for an expansion joint at the foundation
>> unless
>> the concrete is trapped. Re-bar and re-mesh are not required
>> and
>> may actually do more harm than good. It is too bad there are
>> not
>> code driven compaction requirements. The slab will probably
>> end
>> up settling along the foundation due to loose fill and holding
>> water.
>>
>> Don't expect code or inspectors to adjudicate or address
>> cosmetic
>> issues. Ain't happening. This is an issue between owner and
>> builder. The builder or his subcontractor did not follow
>> industry
>> guidelines and did not do all that he could have to prevent the
>> cosmetic problem. If he is using subs that would pour a long
>> rectangle without joints, I would worry more about all other
>> subs
>> at every level.
>>
>> ______________________________
>> Keep the whole world singing . . . .
>> DanG (remove the sevens)
>> dgriff...@7cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 3, 1:43 am, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> > > I have 12 foot x 21 foot concrete patio that cracked
>> >> > > down
>> >> > > the middle
>> >> > > after 30 days of install thanks to Veranda Homes LLC of
>> >> > > Wilmington,NC.
>> >> > > I tried to fill in the crack but it looks bad and the
>> >> > > builder won't
>> >> > > fix it.
>> >> > > Any ideas how I can cover it up with pavers or would the
>> >> > > best thing be
>> >> > > to tear it up and replace it?
>>
>> >> > Build a deck over it. That will give you so much grief in
>> >> > maintainance
>> >> > that when you finally get rid of it the concrte will look
>> >> > great.
>>
>> >> > Joe
>>
>> >> You have a 21 ft span with no control joints and an 1/8"
>> >> crack
>> >> on a
>> >> patio that is 30 days old. That is not normal and I
>> >> wouldn't
>> >> accept
>> >> it and would get the building inspector out there. This
>> >> should not
>> >> happen with concrete work that is done properly. Is the
>> >> crack
>> >> running approximately perpendicular to the 21ft span?
>> >> Concrete
>> >> shrinks when it cures and if you have a span that long
>> >> without
>> >> a
>> >> control joint, that could be the problem.
>>
>> > I'm thinking the building inspector was the problem(lack of
>> > inspection) as with my other problems.
>
> I have a question about the framing inspection because I have a
> front
> door that is out of square and a sliding patio door that is out
> of
> square. Do inspectors look to see if openings are square or do
> they
> check doors after they are installed?
>
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