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Posted by on November 3, 2007, 3:07 pm
> Have at, bigtime! Please report back the results.
>
> Building heights are a zoning issue. Insulation thickness would
> be a local amendment, not a matter for national code.
>
> --
Who said the discussion centered on national code? You told him
there is no code covering concrete patios in his town that might not
have been followed and which the 1/8" crack at 30 days could be
attributed to and it was a waste of time to call the building dept.
> ______________________________
> Keep the whole world singing . . . .
> DanG (remove the sevens)
> dgriff...@7cox.net
>
>
>
>
>
> >> None of the above. It is not a code issue. A frame would have
> >> to
> >> be so far out of square, plumb, or true that is could fall down
> >> before it was remotely a code issue. There is no requirement
> >> to
> >> be square.
>
> >> Building inspectors just DO NOT deal with cosmetic or
> >> functional
> >> issues. There is no code requiring that your dishwasher
> >> works.There is no code that says your door must latch. There
> >> is a
> >> code that your bedroom window must open as a fire escape.
> >> There
> >> is a code sizing and numbering means of egress. Code deals
> >> with
> >> life safety.
>
> > Nonsense. There are all kinds of laws, rules, restrictions as
> > to
> > what a building must conform to that have nothing to do with
> > safety. For example, in many areas, you can't build a house
> > higher
> > than a certain number of feet or stories. That has nothing to
> > do
> > with safety, as obviously there are other houses in other towns
> > that
> > are much higher and no one is having problems because of it Or
> > codes
> > that say homes must have a certain minimum amount of insulation.
> > Is a
> > house unsafe because it doesn't have enough attic insulation?
>
> > You have no way of knowing that there isn't a requirement for
> > control
> > joints in concrete in his area that says you can't have a 21 ft
> > span
> > without one. So, he should just sit down and shut up, and not
> > check
> > with the building dept in his town because you say so?
>
> > Codes are usually the result of insurance industry
> >> losses that have to do with law suit items where there has been
> >> loss of life.
>
> >> --
> >> ______________________________
> >> Keep the whole world singing . . . .
> >> DanG (remove the sevens)
> >> dgriff...@7cox.net
>
>
>
> >> >> I am always amazed at the number of people who want to
> >> >> holler
> >> >> about inspectors fixing everything.
>
> >> >> Inspectors work with code.
> >> >> Code identifies construction minimums.
>
> >> >> Code is most highly related to life safety issues. Boards
> >> >> must
> >> >> be
> >> >> a certain minimum size, nails must be a certain size and
> >> >> number.
> >> >> Foundation concrete needs to meet size and strength
> >> >> minimums.
> >> >> Handrails, stairs,and ramps need to meet size requirements.
> >> >> Exits
> >> >> must meet size and number requirements. Things must meet
> >> >> certain
> >> >> fire ratings. There is usually a footing inspection,
> >> >> framing
> >> >> inspection, and final leading to occupancy.
>
> >> >> Plumbing, HVAC, and electrical inspections do the same thing
> >> >> at
> >> >> an
> >> >> even more stringent safety level.
>
> >> >> There is no inspector/inspection alive that could care less
> >> >> about
> >> >> a crack in any of your slab concrete. They don't care if
> >> >> your
> >> >> brick work cracks. They don't even care if your foundation
> >> >> cracks. They don't care what brand water heater or furnace
> >> >> you
> >> >> use. They only care that things won't burn down, fall down,
> >> >> catch
> >> >> on fire, hurt someone else, electrocute someone, contaminate
> >> >> anyone else or harm city infrastructure.
>
> >> >> There is no code requirement for slab reinforcement,
> >> >> jointing,
> >> >> expansion/contraction control, subsoil compaction, proper
> >> >> fill,
> >> >> type of finish, or anything else about flat work concrete.
> >> >> These
> >> >> are all issues that are cosmetic only. Code just doesn't
> >> >> care
> >> >> if
> >> >> the window or door is crooked, won't latch, siding is
> >> >> crooked,
> >> >> didn't get painted, has the worst texture job in the world.
>
> >> >> This guy's cracked patio is due to lack of proper control
> >> >> joints.
> >> >> There is no need for an expansion joint at the foundation
> >> >> unless
> >> >> the concrete is trapped. Re-bar and re-mesh are not
> >> >> required
> >> >> and
> >> >> may actually do more harm than good. It is too bad there
> >> >> are
> >> >> not
> >> >> code driven compaction requirements. The slab will probably
> >> >> end
> >> >> up settling along the foundation due to loose fill and
> >> >> holding
> >> >> water.
>
> >> >> Don't expect code or inspectors to adjudicate or address
> >> >> cosmetic
> >> >> issues. Ain't happening. This is an issue between owner
> >> >> and
> >> >> builder. The builder or his subcontractor did not follow
> >> >> industry
> >> >> guidelines and did not do all that he could have to prevent
> >> >> the
> >> >> cosmetic problem. If he is using subs that would pour a
> >> >> long
> >> >> rectangle without joints, I would worry more about all other
> >> >> subs
> >> >> at every level.
>
> >> >> ______________________________
> >> >> Keep the whole world singing . . . .
> >> >> DanG (remove the sevens)
> >> >> dgriff...@7cox.net
>
>
>
> >> >> > On Nov 3, 1:43 am, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > > I have 12 foot x 21 foot concrete patio that cracked
> >> >> >> > > down
> >> >> >> > > the middle
> >> >> >> > > after 30 days of install thanks to Veranda Homes LLC
> >> >> >> > > of
> >> >> >> > > Wilmington,NC.
> >> >> >> > > I tried to fill in the crack but it looks bad and the
> >> >> >> > > builder won't
> >> >> >> > > fix it.
> >> >> >> > > Any ideas how I can cover it up with pavers or would
> >> >> >> > > the
> >> >> >> > > best thing be
> >> >> >> > > to tear it up and replace it?
>
> >> >> >> > Build a deck over it. That will give you so much grief
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > maintainance
> >> >> >> > that when you finally get rid of it the concrte will
> >> >> >> > look
> >> >> >> > great.
>
> >> >> >> > Joe
>
> >> >> >> You have a 21 ft span with no control joints and an 1/8"
> >> >> >> crack
> >> >> >> on a
> >> >> >> patio that is 30 days old. That is not normal and I
> >> >> >> wouldn't
> >> >> >> accept
> >> >> >> it and would get the building inspector out there. This
> >> >> >> should not
> >> >> >> happen with concrete work that is done properly. Is the
> >> >> >> crack
> >> >> >> running approximately perpendicular to the 21ft span?
> >> >> >> Concrete
> >> >> >> shrinks when it cures and if you have a span that long
> >> >> >> without
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> control joint, that could be the problem.
>
> >> >> > I'm thinking the building inspector was the problem(lack
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > inspection) as with my other problems.
>
> >> > I have a question about the framing inspection because I have
> >> > a
> >> > front
> >> > door that is out of square and a sliding patio door that is
> >> > out
> >> > of
> >> > square. Do inspectors look to see if openings are square or
> >> > do
> >> > they
> >> > check doors after they are installed?- Hide quoted text -
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