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wire size and 200amp service tommears 06-27-2007
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Posted by on June 27, 2007, 8:34 pm
I am doing a significant kitchen upgrade and the contractor has
recommended that I upgrade the electrical service to 200amp. I've had
3 electricians out to quote on the work---and received 3 very
different opinions and prices. Two have told me it is not necessary
to upgrade the main power line in the house from the meter to the load
center. The other one says I must.

I currently have 150amp service. The meter and the load center are
separated by about 50-feet. The wiring from the meter to the load
center is 2/0 aluminum. I work for a major residential electrical
equipment maker (starts with a "S" and ends with "iemens")...and our
construction sales people tell me that the latest version of NEC
requires 4/0 aluminum wiring for 200amp service.

What is up with 2 of these contractors telling me it is OK to upgrade
without replacing the existing 2/0 wiring?

Is there some sort of grandfather provision in this situation?

If the price difference wasn't so much it would be a no-brainer. But
at $3,500 vs. $750 it's a lot harder to go with the cadillac solution
simple because it is the cadillac solution....

Does anyone have any guidance on the issues and realities of this
situation?


Posted by on June 27, 2007, 9:18 pm
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:42 -0700, tommears@comcast.net wrote:

> I work for a major residential electrical
>equipment maker (starts with a "S" and ends with "iemens")...and our
>construction sales people tell me that the latest version of NEC
>requires 4/0 aluminum wiring for 200amp service.

They are right

Posted by Tim Smith on June 27, 2007, 11:24 pm
gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:42 -0700, tommears@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I work for a major residential electrical
> >equipment maker (starts with a "S" and ends with "iemens")...and our
> >construction sales people tell me that the latest version of NEC
> >requires 4/0 aluminum wiring for 200amp service.
>
> They are right

Does it require aluminum? If his current aluminum wiring doesn't meet
the current code and will have to be replaced, should he be considering
switching from aluminum at the same time?


--
--Tim Smith

Posted by Pete C. on June 28, 2007, 9:31 am
Tim Smith wrote:
>
> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:42 -0700, tommears@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > > I work for a major residential electrical
> > >equipment maker (starts with a "S" and ends with "iemens")...and our
> > >construction sales people tell me that the latest version of NEC
> > >requires 4/0 aluminum wiring for 200amp service.
> >
> > They are right
>
> Does it require aluminum? If his current aluminum wiring doesn't meet
> the current code and will have to be replaced, should he be considering
> switching from aluminum at the same time?
>
> --
> --Tim Smith

That's certainly an option, but not essential. Aluminum wiring is not an
issue for these large gauges, it was only an issue when used in the
small gauge (14-10) general wiring in houses. It's mostly a cost and
personal preference issue as for service entrance use either is
perfectly acceptable. Note that the wire gauge required for a given
service size will be larger for aluminum than for copper.

Posted by mm on June 28, 2007, 3:51 pm
wrote:

>Tim Smith wrote:
>>
>> gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> > On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:34:42 -0700, tommears@comcast.net wrote:
>> >
>> > > I work for a major residential electrical
>> > >equipment maker (starts with a "S" and ends with "iemens")...and our
>> > >construction sales people tell me that the latest version of NEC
>> > >requires 4/0 aluminum wiring for 200amp service.
>> >
>> > They are right
>>
>> Does it require aluminum? If his current aluminum wiring doesn't meet
>> the current code and will have to be replaced, should he be considering
>> switching from aluminum at the same time?
>>
>> --
>> --Tim Smith
>
>That's certainly an option, but not essential. Aluminum wiring is not an
>issue for these large gauges, it was only an issue when used in the
>small gauge (14-10) general wiring in houses. It's mostly a cost and
>personal preference issue as for service entrance use either is

I don't understand "personal preference". It looks good with my eyes?
I have stock in a copper company?

Are the only personal preference possibilities based on the
misunderstanding that aluminum in large gauges is not good,

>perfectly acceptable. Note that the wire gauge required for a given
>service size will be larger for aluminum than for copper.


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