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Posted by Kurt Ullman on October 29, 2009, 8:41 am
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> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:19 -0500, K wrote:
> > UL basically certifies that electrical things will FAIL safely, and could
> > only underwrite the electrics of a stove. For a wood stove that would mean
> > the blowers or whatever if they're present. I think someone is confusing
> > the
> > EPA certification with UL.
>
> Yeah, maybe they are - although the interesting thing is that we called
> around ten different insurance companies, and UL approval was what they
> *all* asked about. Maybe it's some odd competitive thing and they're all
> watching what each other is ofering - once one of 'em mistakenly puts UL
> approval as a requirement in their policies all the others automatically
> follow without really checking facts first...
>
UL does a heck of a lot more than only electrical things any more.
Specific to this discussion from the UL website:
UL can evaluate gas-fired or solid-fuel fired hearth product
appliances to the applicable U.S., Canadian and global requirements.
This includes factory-built fireplaces, fireplace stoves, room heaters,
pellet stoves and fireplace inserts. We can evaluate gas-only fired
units, solid-fuel units, or units that use a combination of gas and
other heat sources such as wood, coal or other solid-fuel. We also
evaluate outdoor gas or solid-fuel appliances such as fireplaces or log
sets.
--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
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Posted by Tony on October 28, 2009, 11:48 pm
Jules wrote:
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> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:22:29 -0700, Bill wrote:
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>>> I'm not sure what EPA approval is...
>> EPA is Environmental Protection Agency.
>
> Yes, just wasn't sure what the difference was between that and UL
> approval, which is what all the insurance companies around here seem to be
> worried about... (none of them ever mentioned any EPA approval requirement
> to us, anyway*)
>
> Given what Don said, it seems like they're concerned with it being safe,
> but they don't give a hoot about how 'green' it is - which I suppose as
> far as getting insurance goes is the way it should be, as insurance
> companies aren't there to police environmental issues...
The EPA is part of the US government, mostly curbing pollution. UL,
"Underighters Laboratories" is a private business that tests and
approves mostly electrical devices if they are safe. Many electrical
products are sold without the UL approval and this is perfectly legal.
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Posted by Bill on October 29, 2009, 10:22 am
"Jules" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:22:29 -0700, Bill wrote:
>>> I'm not sure what EPA approval is...
>> EPA is Environmental Protection Agency.
> Yes, just wasn't sure what the difference was between that and UL
> approval, which is what all the insurance companies around here seem to be
> worried about... (none of them ever mentioned any EPA approval requirement
> to us, anyway*)
EPA would be required by state law or local law and the local building
inspector would be the one looking for this.
Then UL stands for Underwriters Laboratories. An "underwriter" is an
insurance company. So UL inspects things for insurance companies. And if
there is a UL label, then the insurance company can be assured the product
will not cause a fire (if installed properly). And that there will probably
not be any claim from you for damages resulting from a fire.
Thus they can collect your monthly insurance premium and not have to pay
anything out! The insurance company is then happy!
Here are the requirements for Oregon (for example) about the EPA label...
http://www.deq.state.or.us/aq/burning/woodstoves/buysell.htm
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Posted by Tony on October 27, 2009, 12:43 pm
Bill wrote:
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> And with a large stove, you can build a small fire or a large fire. With a
> small stove, only a small fire.
But if you build a small fire in a large stove too often, your flu
pipe/chimney will not run hot enough and will build up creosote much
much faster creating a dangerous situation. A chimney fire just waiting
to happen.
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Posted by coloradotrout on October 27, 2009, 1:43 pm
Seems a straight vertical flu pipe would be best?
Straight up from the stove through the roof? vs a pair of 90 deg.
transitions (out wall, then back up).
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> > UL basically certifies that electrical things will FAIL safely, and could
> > only underwrite the electrics of a stove. For a wood stove that would mean
> > the blowers or whatever if they're present. I think someone is confusing
> > the
> > EPA certification with UL.
>
> Yeah, maybe they are - although the interesting thing is that we called
> around ten different insurance companies, and UL approval was what they
> *all* asked about. Maybe it's some odd competitive thing and they're all
> watching what each other is ofering - once one of 'em mistakenly puts UL
> approval as a requirement in their policies all the others automatically
> follow without really checking facts first...
>